User talk:Whoop whoop pull up

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Templates

Hey, you can use the templets {{cot}}, {{hyper}}, {{hypo}}, {{syn}}, {{ant}}; the displaying of coordinate terms, hypernyms, synonyms, etc. in the form of headings is deprecated now (as far as I am aware). Thanks. -_⸘- dictātor·mundī 15:34, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Header levels

I think the part of speech only gets indented one header level under the etymology if there are multiple etymologies, not just one. That's how I have always seen it done. Equinox ◑ 00:21, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, that is correct. DTLHS (talk) 00:23, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

ping template

Hi, I noticed you added a ping template in your recent edit on a vote discussion. I just want to mention that notifications supposedly don't work if it's not in the same edit as the one which adds your signature. --Ørjan (talk) 00:45, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

"Station" meaning "airport"?

Green's Newspeak (1984) says that station is air-crew jargon for airport. Are you familiar with this? I found one or two possible citations but wasn't sure, since station is quite a nebulous word and these were technical texts. Equinox ◑ 21:30, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

I think I've seen it used like that before, but mostly in reference to "somewhere this plane can undergo maintenance" or contexts like that. Also, I'm not a pilot myself (just someone with a great deal of interest in aviation), but I'm flattered that you think highly enough of my knowledge in the aviation field to ask me for clarification here. :-) Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty ⚧ Averted crashes} 22:27, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Coincidence?

Re harveyize: to put your mind at rest: I tend to refresh and watch Recent Changes a lot while I'm editing. (Partly it convinces me that my changes really did get saved. I grew up with a computer that put files on fucking cassette tape, don't ask.) In this case I was polite enough to leave the lemma alone, bc I thought you'd be creating it next, and why should we edit-conflict... but adding the inflections boosts the super-important "entry creation count" and won't get under your feet. Cheers, Equinox ◑ 03:49, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Cool. 😀 Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty ⚧️ Averted crashes} 03:54, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

(BTW if you didn't get any talk-page message in seven months, you must be doing something right.) Equinox ◑ 06:00, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Special:MobileDiff/67600523

If you feel like I’ve made a personal attack at someone, you can take to the Beer Parlour. But you can’t edit other editors’ comment. ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 20:37, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Personal attacks are absolutely prohibited and may be removed by any editor who sees them. Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty ⚧️ Averted crashes} 20:55, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

It’s your misguided opinion that it was a personal attack. I don’t make personal attacks by the way. ·~ dictátor·mundꟾ 21:03, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

Mariupol Greek

Hi, I don't think it's a good idea to create entries like φυκρύμ without first verifying that this spelling is attested: I'm pretty sure that the Greek spellings aren't one-to-one deducible from the Cyrillic spelling. Thadh (talk) 14:47, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

@Thadh Oh, OK. I got the impression, from reading WT:GRK-MAR TR, that the correspondence was one-to-one and mechanically-deducible; apparently I was wrong. Sorry! 😳🤦‍♀️😬 Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty ⚧️ Averted crashes} 14:55, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

No problem, that table is a bit misleading in that aspect. It should be read as "equivalents in transliteration" rather than one-to-one corresponding. Thadh (talk) 14:59, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

@Thadh Unless you have other ideas concerning the two I'd already created, I'm going to RFVN those two (on the off chance that they are the correct, attested spellings). For RFVN purposes, is Mariupol Greek a WDL or an LDL? Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty ⚧️ Averted crashes} 15:04, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

LDL. Thanks for taking care of it, I'll try finding some Greek-script literature. Thadh (talk) 15:07, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanx in return for the heads-up and the info; apologies for making more work for you (I'm afraid I won't be able to help with the search for attestations; I understand the Greek alphabet, but the only language I can understand is English). 🤦‍♀️ Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty ⚧️ Averted crashes} 15:11, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Pinging @Thadh for notification of my latest reply, since I forgot to do that in the comment itself. Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty ⚧️ Averted crashes} 15:12, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

@Thadh The RFVN entry for the two is live. Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty ⚧️ Averted crashes} 15:31, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Admin

Hi. It's your turn to be admin. Vote? Almostonurmind (talk) 23:34, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Gonna have to decline for now. Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty ⚧️ Averted crashes} 23:38, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Aight. I'll ask you again next year Almostonurmind (talk) 23:39, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Derived terms

Also, I see you're adding lots of Derived terms. Were you aware of Wiktionary:Todo/phrases not linked to from components/2022-07/page 1? It can speed up the process of searching for DTs a bit. I say "speed up", but I've been working through the first list and may have done about 5% of them in a month... Almostonurmind (talk) 23:38, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

I'll take a look. Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty ⚧️ Averted crashes} 23:39, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Syllable breaks

Hi. We don't seem to discuss this at the IPA key, but syllabification in English is highly theory-dependent, and shouldn't be marked except when a specific distinction needs to be made. (One is mentioned in the key.) If we did, we'd run into the problem of needing to repeat each of our dialectical pronunciations for multiple proposed syllabifications. E.g. theatrical as the.atr.ic.al, the.a.tri.cal, the.at.ri.cal, the.at.ric.al, the.a.tric.al, etc. Your /ˈvæ.ʃti/ would normally be either /ˈvæʃ.ti/ or /ˈvæʃt.i/ instead, leading to fruitless debates over which is "correct". kwami (talk) 04:05, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

@Kwamikagami: If you really think there's a case for obliterating syllable boundaries in English pronunciation, please establish a consensus for doing so first. I would strongly disagree that English syllabification is theory-dependent; English words naturally fall apart cleanly into separate syllables, something that's inconsistent with syllabification being theory-dependent (as this would require the actual pronunciation of the word to change depending on which theory one subscribes to, which is obviously ludicrous). Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty ⚧️ Averted crashes} 07:43, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Your transcriptions don't match e.g. Wells, so we have a problem. AFAIK, WK does not generally mark syllable boundaries. If you want to start, then you're proposing a change in WK convention, in which case you need to establish consensus to do so. Plus you need consensus on where the syllable boundaries should be. Ambisyllabicity, for example, is a real problem. The fact that you find your own POV to be "obvious" is irrelevant: we'd need a consistent WK convention, so you'd need to convince everyone else to follow your intuition, and have an algorithm for them to be able to predict it. For instance, where to you it's obviously /ˈvæ.ʃti/, to me it's obviously /ˈvæʃ.ti/, and to Wells it's obviously /ˈvæʃt.i/. kwami (talk) 07:49, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Edit-warring at fur

Please take it to talk rather than edit-warring, especially when there's an ongoing discussion on this very topic at the Beer Parlour! kwami (talk) 05:58, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Strong shades of the pot calling the kettle black there, given that you appear to be the only person seriously arguing that GA has any difference in vowel quality between stressed and unstressed rhotic schwas. Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty ⚧️ Averted crashes} 06:21, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

It's in the key that we direct readers to! Come on, don't play stupid. kwami (talk) 07:50, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes, and there's a strong consensus developing in the BP discussion that that part of our pronunciation key is wrong and needs to be changed to reflect the total lack of vowel-quality difference between stressed and unstressed rhotic schwas in GA. Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty ⚧️ Averted crashes} 07:52, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Non-emoji title display

Glad to see that the title of ♉ is displaying properly now. How do we do the same with other articles? kwami (talk) 03:45, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

You'd probably have to ask Erutuon; they seem to be the primary maintainer of MediaWiki:Gadget-UnsupportedTitles.js. Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty ⚧️ Averted crashes} 04:08, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! kwami (talk) 04:17, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

"plural potatoes or potatos"

Why did you add potatos, a misspelling, as an alternative plural? J3133 (talk) 21:51, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

{{unsupported}}

Hi - this template is essentially obsolete at this point, as the normal link templates can now handle (almost) every unsupported title. The only ones still causing trouble are those with HTML tags (i.e. < ... >), but those will be dealt with soon. Theknightwho (talk) 13:09, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Same for {{unsupportedpage}} too, actually, which is completely obsolete. The headword module categorises them in Category:Unsupported titles automatically, and it also generates the correct {{DEFAULTSORT:}}. Theknightwho (talk) 15:24, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Coptic overline

Hi. You redirected this (U+FE26) to the macron, but it's not the same diacritic and isn't covered there. It's used together with FE24 and FE25 to create a single diacritic spanning 3 or more characters; it has no meaning on its own. And it was adopted by Unicode specifically for the overstroke in Coptic,[1] which is used to indicate abbreviations. Could you fix please? kwami (talk) 04:20, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Benwing commented "it is some special diacritic used for Coptic and should not be conflated with the regular Unicode macron". kwami (talk) 05:18, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

/aɪɹ/ is a valid IPA pronunciation

Dear Whoop: In an edition from spire you deleted for spire this phonetic pronunciation "/spaɪɹ/" saying "not possible in GA". However, at least the following dictionaries recognize it:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/diccionario/ingles/spire https://www.dictionary.com/browse/spire https://www.wordreference.com/es/translation.asp?tranword=spire

Even in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdV7RymsiMY&t=334s says "The /aɪɹ/ is an R-colored triphthong".

In other words, words like dire, fire, hire and tire can be pronounced as one syllable.

I pretend to add this kind of pronunciations as needed. Do you agree?

Greetings. Adelpine (talk) 18:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

t-t-t-t-terms

Do you have thoughts on how terms like pooner or shoulderhon should be categorized? Currently they're categorized as "trans slang"+"4chan slang". My inclination is to remove them from the "trans slang" category because unlike egg or gock, in my experience pooner et al. aren't used by most trans people, only a minority of people who use 4chan (they're then also used by those people when they are on twitter), so to me "4chan slang"—or perhaps a specific label/cat like "/tttt/ slang"?—seems more appropriate; however, I know my experience of what's widely vs narrowly used and my ideas of what to do about it are just one person's experience/ideas, not a complete picture. Pinging also @WordyAndNerdy if you want to share thoughts on this.
I see various of our categories do this, lump terms widely used by the group the category is about + terms only a tiny subgroup would understand. This could either be a sign Wiktionary should make more effort to diffuse terms into relevant subcategories in general (e.g., we seem to do a good job diffusing regional terms that would not be widely understood in America, like DC-hyperspecific sice, into subcategories, but then we put US military jargon into the top-level American English category even if nobody else would understand it: maybe we should also have a "US military slang" category?), or a sign I'm wrong to think it's an issue... - -sche (discuss) 02:33, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. Whoop whoop pull up ^{Bitching Betty ⚧️ Averted crashes} 03:01, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I generally believe cross-categorization is fine. Some terms are used by multiple communities. I attested aggy as both UK slang and AAVE. Plenty of tabletop slang (e.g. murderhobo) is also video game slang. Being used primarily by a subset of a larger community shouldn't preclude a term from higher-order categorization. US military jargon is American English – it's not used within the UK military, after all. Redemptionista and evilista are still fandom slang even though only Buffy fans use them.

My understanding is that shoulderhon etc. are used by a subset of trans folks who post on 4chan's /lgbt/ board. Which means that these terms fit under both the "transgender slang" and "4chan slang" categories. It seems these terms also see a fair amount of use on Reddit and Twitter. Readers unfamiliar with their origin might not think to look in the 4chan slang category. Cross-categorization can be helpful! That said, it might be useful to have a "/tttt/ slang"-type subcategory. I'm uncertain regarding the name. /tttt/ is an informal name for the board. But "/lgbt/ slang" would likely be confused with the broader "LGBT" label. WordyAndNerdy (talk) 05:44, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Pronunciation of measure

Dear Wikipeadian: In the pronunciation of measure you add the pronunciation /ˈmeɪ.ʒə/, and when it was reverted you wrote "diphthongized in NZE". However, I could not find it anywhere but I found /ˈmeʒ.ə/. I also heard a lot of Youglish videos without founding it. Could you give me a source or at least an audio with that pronunciation? Greetings! Adelpine (talk) 13:24, 16 October 2024 (UTC)