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This article should have something about the 1913 US Open (as portrayed in the movie The Greatest Game Ever Played). It should mention how Vardon came back from his sickness many times.

I think the grip images in this 1912 book might be OK, they picture Vardon himself and the book is very old so there shouldtn't be any copyright issues: http://chestofbooks.com/sports/golf/Soul-Of-Golf/Chapter-II-The-Mystery-Of-Golf.html book author: P.A. Vaile, born 1866. Fpedraza (talk) 21:52, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tournament wins section

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I have a few comments on this section.

Firstly, it includes 4 wins in qualifying events. We don't usually include these unless they were also playing for a trophy at the same time (as sometimes happened for the Tooting Bec Cup, Leeds Cup and perhaps others). The 1911 Tooting Bec Cup win was also a qualifying event for the Sphere and Tatler Foursomes Tournament. There was a tie in the qualifying but there was then a play-off for the Cup, so this is clearly a valid tournament win. However in 1913 Vardon tied with James Batley in the Sphere and Tatler Foursomes Southern Section Qualifying at Denham, which only involved half the southern section - there being a second event on the same day for the rest. The winners of the two events (four players in all) eventually played off for the Tooting Bec Cup but Vardon didn't win it. In 1914 Vardon won his qualifying section but this was again only half the southern section. We don't include, for instance, winning the The Open qualifying in other player's lists, even though there was often prize-money for being first. I've left the 4 qualifying events in for now but would be happy to see them go.

The other feature is that the 1913 Sphere and Tatler Foursomes win (with Tom Willamson) is not in the list, being included in the "Team event wins" section below. It's clear to me that this wasn't a team event. A foursomes is simply an alternative form of golf to singles, not a team event at all. This is the system we use elsewhere where foursomes tournament wins are include in the list. At the moment, leading half of the Southern Section in a qualifying event is included but winning the whole thing is not, which seems bizarre to me. The Sphere and Tatler was the third most important professional tournament of the year in Britain so should surely be included. For now I've added a separate section for this foursomes tournament win. I've got more comments on the Team event wins, which I'll add here later. Nigej (talk) 09:02, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Team event wins

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Normally we include include all appearances, not just wins.

I have removed a number of wins at the trivial end of things. eg Winning the Herts Alliance Bogey Competition is way below the level we use for other players. Also this list of minor event is clearly the tip of the iceberg of what could be included. for instance I found the following additions in The Times without too much effort: 8 Apr 1921 - Herts v Middlesex, 19 Nov 1925 - Herts Professionals vs Amateurs, 26 Oct 1928 - Herts Professionals vs Amateurs, 24 Oct 1930 - Professionals v Metropolitan Police golf society.

Of the ones I've left in, I'm a little doubtful about the 1899, 1905, 1908 and 1919 events but have left them in for now. Nigej (talk) 09:22, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]


We are a little at variance on some of the things you mentioned in your two posts, and the subsequent edits you made. The matches (team events) in 1899, 1905, 1908 and 1919 were highly publicized events at the time and relevant in my opinion to painting a picture of Vardon's career. The removal of the other lesser events is somewhat moot, as the best golfers in the world at the time were from Great Britain, and the best golfers in Britain were engaged at golf clubs in the south of England, e.g. Taylor, Braid, Vardon, Ray, Duncan, Mitchell, Herd and so on.

My edits yesterday were only to the visits Vardon made to the USA, which I felt were extremely incomplete. There were no edits to the team wins etc., something I believe we discussed in the past. Bill the Brit (talk) 14:46, 21 March 2016 (UTC) (talk) 10:46, 21 March 2016 (EST)[reply]

I don't mean in any way to criticise any of your edits and would encourage you to keep up with the good work. Before you started your edits the Vardon page was indeed something of an embarrassment. I'm just keen to have a certain consistency between Vardon's article and the others. Hopefully other folk will make their comment about the issue. Nigej (talk) 15:42, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Vardon in culture

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I was thinking of "The Clicking of Cuthbert" by P.G. Wodehouse and it occurred to me to look up the names of some of the golfers named extensively throughout this collection of short stories. Vardon's name comes up nine times in this collection, as well as - I remember, in other P.G.W stories too. Do these contemporary literary references deserve a mention, given that he is being named in the stories to epitomize legendary golfing skill? Edaham (talk) 02:10, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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