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ANI notice/disruptive edits and edit warring

I have raised an ANI here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#c-Lewisguile-20240916215000-Lewisguile-20240916182100 There have been a number of recent edits made by a single user which insert unsourced and poorly sourced information, or information which is WP:UNDUE and fails to remain free of bias.

Similar activity has occurred at related pages, such as Afro-Caribbean people and Tacky's Revolt. The editor in question reverts any attempts to remove the disruptive editing and ignores polite requests to engage in WP:BRD. Lewisguile (talk) 06:55, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reverts of possible WP:TE

Following on from the edit warring yesterday, I thought I'd outline the problems with the current draft as I them.

Lead: There are some old, poor and questionable sources used here. The YouTube video shouldn't be used at all, and the books from 1980 and 1996 are likely quite outdated so more contemporary sources should be used.

World Population Review doesn't mention anything about Caribbean Creoles as a demographic category in Jamaica, nor does it say that Afro-Jamaicans=Jamaican Creoles. Google Scholar only uses Jamaican Creole to refer to the language, save for a few older papers.

The claim that Afro-Jamaicans as a whole are indigenous Jamaicans (in the sense of Amerindian/Taíno) isn't properly sourced, and a controversial statement like that shouldn't be hidden via piping anyway.

Similarly, Jamaican Creole should not replace Afro-Jamaican as a term. The primary term used should reflect the title. Likewise, we shouldn't conflate a single source claiming evidence of Taíno heritage for indigenous Puerto Ricans (as is currently used) as proof that all Caribbeans, and indeed all Afro-Jamaicans, also have Taíno heritage and/or are Taíno Jamaicans. Considering there are people who identify as Taíno Jamaicans who aren't Afro-Jamaicans, that is likely to be confusing and controversial.

There has also been lots of well sourced information removed from the article, as well as some information that needed more sources but was generally reflective of scholarly consensus. These shouldn't be blanked out just because WP:DONTLIKEIT, and should be restored.

I would strongly recommend editors check out Wikipedia policy on reliable sources before adding new content to the article. Consensus should be sought for the recent changes, otherwise they should be rolled back to the last stable version. I have engaged the user in question to request that they take part in WP:BRD, however, they are currently blocked for edit warring and haven't yet engaged with the four editors who have issued recent notes of concern on their talk page.

I'd appreciate any help from other editors to help her this page back on track, and then help with edits to improve it further. Lewisguile (talk) 14:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update: FifthFive has reverted the mass deletion of text and insertion of WP:UNDUE, WP:BIAS and WP:TE by blocked IP user as likely WP:SPA. Similar changes were made by this user to several related pages: Afro-Caribbeans, Afro-Jamaicans, Coromantee and Tacky's Rebellion. I have checked and this has restored all the relevant content that was removed.

Having compared the diffs to see if there was anything worth keeping, I have manually restored anything with RSes or which improved prose (if there was anything). Most changes were poorly sourced and added significant bias into the article, or simply removed existing information for no policy-based reason.

For transparency, I will post this on all affected pages.

Lewisguile (talk) 17:20, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]