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TITLE: 3.Llamada del magistrado rodriguez el dia 31 de agosto
DATE OF TRANSCRIPTION: September 12, 2022
NUMBER OF SPEAKERS: 3 as outlined below
TRANSCRIPT STYLE: Non-Verbatim
SOURCE AUDIO LANGUAGE: Spanish
FILE DURATION: 38 minutes 53 seconds
TRANSCRIPTIONIST: Valeria B. Delmar, A LINGUA FRANCA LLC
RMV — Rosa Maria Valdez
RR — Roger Rodriguez
TH - Thomas Hoffman,
U/ - Unintelligible
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SPEAKER_| TIME CONTENT
RAV 0:00:00 | Hello, hello. (Background: RR: Yes, hello.] Go ahead.
(Background: RR: How are you?] Well, somewhat sad. Nothing has
been done. (Background: RR: That nothing..] Let me put Thomas on.
(Background: RR: Put Thomas on.)
TH :00:26 |Hello. (Background: RR: How are you, Thomas?] How are you,
magistrate? What news do you have?
RR 7:00:36 | Well, that’s what I wanted to talk to you about. Your mon is
telling me that she’s sad because nothing has been done. why
does she say that?
TH Ti0dr2 | It’s because, well, she hasn’t had a call about the visas or
anything like that.
BR 3:00:50] Oh, okay, well, that is a very specific point. Yes, but that
nothing has been done, that seems to me too drastic of a
statement. Have you been following the news?
TH 0:01:02 | Excuse me?
BR 0:01:04 [Have you been following the news?
TH 0:01:05 |Well, yes, yes. We are a bit surprised at all of the cases in
which they are being set free.
BR Tiizié Oh, yes, that is very delicate, yes. But it’s also very, the
risk is too much, the reason why we are so insistent on changing
the judge, yes?
TH Ti0i:28 | But there have been five-hundred seventy-one (571) cases. And
that they want it to go up to one-thousand one-hundred (1,100) .
BR i01z36 | ¥es, but keep in mind that a lot of that is politics, right?
See, I can explain it to you, but, but it’s a technicality.
Those people are not being set free. They are letting them go
temporarily, but the DA will again, will charge them fornally,
right? And it’s a technical process that when a cop arrests you,
‘the prosecutor has to take the case to the [UI] so that it maj
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EXHIBIT en
Vilbe accepted, and it’s not worth it to give you an explanation
that will take a half hour, where it is simply a political
attack that they are doing..
TH Bnd why doesn’t Yvonne Rosales explain that before the. I mean,
give that statement? I don’t understand.
RR ‘She has done it, but she’s got.. remember she’s got the nedia
against _her right now.
TH oh.
RR Bnd she has given statements, and they are in writing. she’s
sent them. And she says, "No, it’s a ploy.” Remember that here,
the interests of the other side, right, including the judge in
the case of your father is [UI], it’s a big group. It’s not one
person. And then, the judge who is handling those cases, the
eriminal cases, he is also gunning for the [UI]. Because they
represent the losing team. Because they all want. It’s like the
PAN and the PRI. And she has made statements, but the press does
not like to clarify things, because the press lives for the
drama. Tt lives for.
TH Of impactful news, right.
RR Yes, from controversy. I mean, it could be real, it could be
real, but it loves controversy. I mean, take a look at just
Chihuahua, I mean, that Corral did this, that Cesar Duarte stole
‘a trillion, I mean, that is what people [UI]. But, right now,
well, I’m Calling you so that we can keep the communication
going, so that you are aware of what is going on and that you
Know {UI}. We axe with you. If I don’t call, then there is no
display of interest. Now, what I wanted to tell you is that what
was done the other day was really good. That I can confirm to
jou, okay?
TH, What_is that?
RR Do you hear me?
TH Yes, But what was done the other day what? I didn’t hear
clearly.
RR What was done the other day had a very good impact. T mean,
there was a good result fron what was done the other day.
REV What was done?
TH But what, what are you referring to? (Background: AMV: What was
done?] I don’t understand.
RR ‘What was done in Juarez the other day.
BMV What?
TH What was done in Juarez the other day.
RR yes.
RHV Look, magistrate, what I want to underscore is that for us, more
than anything, we didn’t want to be involved in that controversy
about journalists and all of that. Remember when your wife sent.
‘them all of those announcements? About this and that. we didn’t
want that, magistrate.
RR Yes.
BMV We are in great danger.
RR 9:05:28 | Please, I’m speaking with Thomas, right now. And I don’t want to
have a misunderstanding with you, okay? That decision was taken,
and I’m not in a position right now to revise what has been
done. And my wife was not, she was not the one who sent that
out, okay?
BMV Who sent_them out?
RR ‘She didn’t make that decision.
BMV. But _she sent them.
Fage2 of 11Ma'am if you want to say that my wife sent that.
Yes.
She’s not the one who pressed the button on anything.
‘On the phone? Yes, she did.
‘Alright, then.
gee igys
We only signed so you could help us with regard to Briggs and
this and that but not something so big. That has me scared now.
Let_me put Thomas on.
3
Yes, that’s better, and I would ask of you not to interrupt the
call anymore.
‘And now what is it that you are working on, magistrate?
ale
Well, I’m trying to explain it to you, Thomas. But, look, T
don’t want your mother to get my wife involved, okay? Because my
wife.. uh, what I don’t like is that your mom gets scared and all
of a sudden she forgets and everything gets convoluted for her
as to how things happened. And I’m not calling to see who did it
or who didn’t do it, right, because you're making me lose a lot
of time. I’m calling you to tell you what the next step is.
What_is it?
ala
Rnd if not, if your mother, well, that’s why I’m calling you.
But your mom initially answers me..
TH
Tt’s because Channel seven (7) keeps sending her emails wanting
to interview her and she feels pressured, because, well, they
keep insisting, asking if she wrote, and well, she doesn’t even
know how to write over the phone, so then, that’s why she’s
scared, but okay.
Yes, but the question is this, because 1’11 tell you, see, speak
to Channel seven (7) if you want and say what you want. T am
going to start to get exasperated by you, okay? Because you're
bringing up dumb things. “Channel seven (7) is pressuring is.”
Okay, and what does that matter? Why are you responding to
Channel seven (7). And if they are leaving messages, why are you
paying attention to Channel seven (7). Channel seven (7) is a
traitor. Channel seven (7) accused you of [UI] of the family.
And they are saying that your email is not real. So then, how
will you trust, or how will you be willing to feel pressured by
a channel, a news program. Journalists, you know, Thomas, are
the worst. So, if you don’t have the strength to put up with a
call from a TV channel, so then, please don’t, I mean, we are
not talking about the same thing. If your mom wants to say that
it was my wife who sent that-out, that is a mistake. Because on
that, authorization was granted by the family to use that
account and for that to go out. [Background: RMV: Did you see?
It's going out.) Nothing was done incorrectly. Everything was
done correctly. But when you hit evil, evil does not like it,
and evil will want to, in some way, make you uncomfortable and
Scared. But if that is what is going on, Thomas, I would tell
you, call me when it is happening. Don’t wait until your mom
‘Starts to get nervous once again and starts to feel bad. When I
said goodbye to you all in Juarez the other day, you asked me
for something. Let’s leave all of the bad energy on the table.
And we are together in this until the end. That is what you
said, more or less. And I agreed. And so, if I’m calling you
today to tell you what is going on truly, then, I think you need
to listen to me and not complain. We are also not a visa machine
either. The DA promised to ask for that, but remember that she
is being viciously attacked. If you are watching the news, they |
Page3 of 11want to get her off the post, they want to fire her fxon her
job. Why? Because she was willing to fight for you.
0:10:16
Well, I found out that the news media was outside of her office
and that she didn’t even want to go out to give a statement. So,
it wouldn’t have been a big deal for her to go out andi say,
“this is happening, and this and that and this. And I want the
people of El Paso to continue to believe in me, etc.”
No, Thomas, it’s not that easy. It’s not that easy. Let me tell
you why.
Why?
Because at that point they had just filed a petition for her
removal, so they are setting a trap for her. They are putting
pressure on her regarding the cases, which isn’t true, and at
the same time, they file against her. They are looking to get
her, so she could not come out at that time. The time will come
where she will raise her voice, Thomas, but you cannot. criticize
‘a person who is at that level when you have never been at that
level, when perhaps you don’t understand all of the system, and
how it is progressing. Moreover, you did see that they want her
removed, right?
TH
Yes, no, I’m not eriticizing her, I’m just telling you what I’m
seeing on the news. That is all.
No, you're adding a point, Thomas. You're adding, “why can’t she
just go out and face them?” I’m telling you; she is fighting.
She’s got the news media against her. If she goes out and faces
this right now, they will attack her even worse. Look, let me
ask you something, why don’t you go to the news media from El
Paso and sit for an interview. Why don’t you do it? Is it to
your benefit or not?
Because we have decided not to talk anymore.
Thomas...
Well, see, we have decided, truly, not to talk about that
anymore.
That’s why, for the same reason. Now, I’m not telling you to do
it. I’m using it as an example. Because it’s not in your best
interest, because the last time you wanted to talk and to say
the truth, that it was offensive to use the case for political
means, what did the press do? The accused you, they attacked
you. And the press lied. The press lied saying you weren’t even
family members.
TH
No, but we also didn’t know anything about what Amanda had said
or anything like that.
No, but your sister did get involved, and your sister was very
quick to say that it wasn’t you and that your brother was slow.
And that your brother didn’t have the ability to even write.
Hey, that, that is not true. Your brother is not slow.
TH
0:13:05
Well, it’s because, truly, my brother is not slow but he has
autism, so that makes him unable to speak to others. He doesn’t
have the ability to write emails and things like that,
Or13:25
T have an autistic son, and let me tell you something. Autism
has a lot of levels. And for my part, from my interactions with
your brother, your brother has the ability to recall, he has the
ability to think, he has the ability to give his opinion.
No, but he doesn’t know how to write English, truly. That 1 can
absolutely guarantee. He doesn’t have that ability.
‘Of course, but he was not the one who wrote it alone. T mean,
you and all of the family were present. But I’m not calling to
faged of 11See if something good or bad was done. 1 don’t think anything
bad has been done, Thomas. The criticisms are not internal. I’m
not calling you to criticize you at this time.
Te Uh-huh.
RR I’m calling you to tell you what is coming.
TH ‘And _what’s coming?
RR, “And how_to prepare for what’s coming.
TH Hello?
RR, Yes, can you hear me?
TH Yes.
RR Yes, so then, that’s why I’m calling you, Thomas. But, but you
tell me. Look, before I tell you what is coming. You tell me,
your mon is upset. That much is clear to me, okay? And you are
upset. That is clear to me. Do you want me to continue to
support you or would you rather I stop calling you?
RAV. 0:14:59 | That _we don’t know.
TH 0:15:00 | Well, look, truly, we don’t know any more what is going to
happen, I mean, .that thing about the visas, you have been
telling us about it for almost a month
REV 0:15:08 | We don’t care about that, really.
TH 0:15:09 [We've actually seen that we cannot expect any of that. People
from Las Americas also contacted us. They will handle the
requests of those visas.
MV 0:15:21 | (Aside to TH: Due to what happened to your dad.
TH 0:15:22 | Due to the victim right we have, victims of violence. So, with
regard to that, don’t worry about it.
RR, 0:15:31 | Yes, but let’s talk.
TH 0:15:33 | Since we will look into that elsewhere, because we were waiting.
You told us that it was a matter of week, and that the following
week, the visa would be processed, and two (2) weeks have gone
by and nothing has been done.
RR Okay, but hold off a bit. Something was done, Thomas.
TH What was done? Tell me.
RR T spoke with the prosecutor and she assigned a prosecutor to
ook into that matter.
TH Yes, in another month or a yea
RR Hold on, Thomas
RAY [Aside to TH: We know that she is very busy.J
TH We know that she is busy and won’t do it. We have come to that
conclusion that that issue won't progress.
RAV Orie:i8 | [Aside to TH: But we're not interested in that anymore.J
TH 0:16:19 | But you know what, this Las Americas agency has made a
commitment to us, so it’s set. You don’t have to worry about
that.
RR, 0:16:25 | Okay, let’s Forget about the visa. But what is the problem?
TH 0:16:38 | That we're trusting you. That is the problem. That we're
trusting you. That, no, yes, next week, the visas will be ready,
and they will be moving along, and.. three (3) weeks have passed.
RR O:i6i50 | Well, okay, see, Thomas. I never told you that next week, but
that’s okay. See, you are upset with me, and for me, it’s okay,
tell me instead what it is that you want, because I don’t like
even the tone of the conversation. Tell me, why, I mean, do you
prefer that I don’t bother you anymore? I won't.
TH :i7:11 | Well, look, really, we just don’t want to have problas with
anyone. That is the only thing that we want, and that’s it.
Let's just leave this like that, and.as if you hadn't met us
and that’s it. So we won't have to struggle with anything,
fageS of 11because, see, really, my mom is really affected. [Aside to TH:
RMV: Because they really harmed us.] And all of the going
around, you've been doing. [Aside to TH: RMV: It’s actually
that we feel used.) And we also feel used. [sighs]
Or17:45
That’s okay. Thomas, I understand it. I think it’s a mistake. I
think that the enemies are going to win. The enemies are going
to win, because they pressured you to the point that you felt
overwhelmed, but in reality, we have never lied to you, and the
other reality is that we've never taken a dollar from you.
TH
0:18:14
Well, look, I would like it if you could prove all of those
theories that you have told us, all of those conspiracies, we
would love it if you could prove it and that you can stick it to
them, that you can show them all of what you've told us. We
would be very happy, but we are no longer willing to... [Aside to
TH: We wish him all the best.} Yes, we wish you best of luck and
the best, but...
That’s perfectly fine, Thomas, I'm just telling you, I just want
you to know that the judge set a hearing for two (2) weeks fron
now. That’s why I was calling, okay?
‘Yes.
T an telling you that my recommendation to you is that you not
show up to that hearing. If you want to come.. but I know right
now that the judge really wants a piece of you. In particular,
your mother.
‘You see, that’s why I didn’t want any of this. But okay.
But life is like this, and if 1 don’t tell you the truth, you
won't know how to protect yourself at this time. But I’1] make
it easier for you, I mean, I’m not asking anything of you, I’m
just telling you, you know what, I don’t think that hearing will
take place, because before that hearing takes place, Thomas, the
prosecutor is going to ask that the judge be removed.
Ori9:44
‘Uh-huh.
0:19:45
‘And when they remove him, Thomas, when they succeed in taking
this monster away who was harmed your family so much, when they
xenove him, I want you to think of me.
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Okay.
ala
0:19:58
T want you to recall this moment. I am calling as a friend, to
help and give you information. I’m not asking anything of you,
nothing. But what I’m realizing is that there are a lot of
complaints where I don’t feel there is a reason for there to be
complaints. And they will remove that judge, because good always
prevails over evil, Thomas. But I do want one (1) thing to be
Clear, it’s not cool to be assigning blame along the way. What
your mom did to my wife just now was not cool. That ny wife was
Fesponsible for everything. That is not true, and I’m not
willing to hear that. So, I’m telling you, Thomas, faith will
[UI] [Aside to TH: RMV: It’s not fair that he assign ali the
blame to me.)
0:20:46
Yes, no, no. 1 know.
0:20:52
No, I’m not blaming anybody, nor am I blaming your mon. But 17m
not blaming anybody, because I don’t believe there is fault. 1
think that: the enemies.. the bad guys will always try to twist
the truth, and like your sister. Your sister is not a good
person, and even if you try to help her. The only thing that she
will do is take you down. I’m calling you now, Thomas, because
that was the last agreement we had, that the negativity would
stay on the table, and that is what I respected. And all that
was done that day was done correctly, and I’m telling you, that
fige6 of 7the judge will be renoved. That’s why I’m calling you, so that
you are at peace, so that you know that hard blows are coming
against the enemies. If you are willing to persevere. All I’m
telling you is not to let the pressure get to you from dumb
people like from the news media. Those people love to lie. They
just love to attack. It has been three (3) years, Thomas. why is
it that the news media is not saying, “Let’s have the trial
now." Why not? Why don’t they ask how this judge was selected?
Why don’t they ask? The ballistic results are in from that day’s
shooting. Thomas, there are a lot of things that you all don’t
know, but I am telling you, “Hey, friend.” Are you treating me
like’a friend at this time, or are you treating me like an
employee? You tell me.
We are not like that.
TH
Well, it’s because we only.. All 1 want is for my mom to be left
alone, that is all.
0:22:36
‘Thomas, I don’t either. 1 pray every day so that this will end.
Do you think that I.. let’s see, with this I'll respond to
anything you might want to know. What do I have to gain from
your dear mom being bothered? Nothing. What do I have to gain
from this being extended? Nothing.
TA
0:22:55
‘Okay-
0:22:56
What I want is the sane thing you want which is that this
nightmare end already. (UI).
TH
0:23:02
‘Okay, magistrate. Well, you know. On our end, you continue on
with your case, and as for us, we just want to be left alone,
and well, that’s it.
0723719
T agree with that. I agree with you. Now, when you say, “I want
to be left alone.” Do you want to know what will happen or do
you want me to not tell you anymore what is going to happen?
[Aside: Yes, he can let us know.]
Well, yes, you may let us know, but.
TAside: But we don’t want to give you any problens.J
But I don’t want to give my mom any problems. That’s it.
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3:45
But we return to the same thing. I don’t want it. I didn’t want
your mom to be bothered at all. Your mom didn’t sign anything.
Additionally, your sister attacked your mom, but I didn’t know
she lived or existed, that lady. And I got really upset by what
your sister did. But I, at that time, didn’t blame anyone.
Because I’m older, Thomas, I know that in life, nothing is
perfect. And I know that God has his way, and He knows why He
put your sister along the way. But I’11 tell you one thing,
we've never done you wrong, and we've never done anything that
goes against your mother, saying, “Oh, we want the press to go
after her.” No, I would want the press to calm down, believe me,
and for them to start saying the truth. The day that you and I
disagree, Thomas, you can be sure that I’1l be the first to say,
“You know what, we don’t share the same interests.” But right
now, my interest is justice. That your rights and your mom's
rights be respected, that is my interest. Your father’s trial,
that justice be done in that case, is my interest. And for that
corrupt judge who has harmed so many people not to continue on
this case, that is a shared interest. [UI].
TH
0:25:17
That is what I don’t understand, judge. I mean, magistrate. That
4s what I don’t understand.
0:25:21,
What is that?
fage7 of 110:25:22
Because what upset me the most was on the day that we were at
Sanborn’s and you asked me to get change for the one-hundred
(100) dollar bill, mom told me that you told her some things
that were very strong. And she started to feel bad. That you
said, (Aside: How was it? What did he tell you?)
TBackground: That as an enemy.. That as a friend, he was good and
as_an enemy, even better.]
TH
‘That as a friend, you're good and as an enemy, even better. I
mean, I take that as you trying to threaten her.
(Background: to threaten.J
I did not threaten your mother.
TH
‘And that, that saying, is not used unless a person wants to
threaten the other. And that, she took it really bad, and that
day she felt really bad. And that is why I am upset.
But wait a minute, wait a minute, if you are asking me whether I
threatened your mother, the answer is, “No.” [UI] That I said
that to your mother?
Yes.
‘Yes, Thomas, but I also told you that your mom is not doing well
right now. She has gone through a lot of stress. She is not
processing everything, and your mom will say things here and
there that are not congruent with what happened. How can you
believe I would sling such a dumb thing your mother’s way?
What's wrong with you.
0726245
No, well, I believe everything she tells me. I don’t think she
made it up.
0:26:52
No, but you also know that sometimes your mother doesn’t
xemember things as they are.
0:26:58
[Aside to TH: Yes, I do remember. 1 remember things more so than
you. Tell him.}
Look, if I had threatened.
Took, she truly has an amazingly good memory. 1 don’t question
any of that when it comes to her. But in the future, if you plan
on addressing her, don’t tell her things like that, because
really that, that makes me doubt this relationship.
0:27:23
But hold on, if Thad said that, I am man enough to say that I
threatened your mother. I’m going to tell you something. I’m not
an idiot who would threaten her like that. No way. I did say
‘that I was not liking how things were being handled, but I said
it in front of you. With your mom, I didn’t speak on substantial
things until you returned.
(Background: Yeah, right.J
Not until your return. [UI], but I’m going to tell you another
thing, Thomas, I am not the type of person that does one (1)
thing and then changes. If I had threatened your mom, I would
have done it in front of you. Would you have shot at me or dig a
knife in me?
TH
0728709
No, I-realize that you sometimes do say things that are very
strong. For instance, when you told me, don’t you want justice
for the person who blew your dad’s brains out? I mean that is
also strong. And truly, I didn’t want to take it too much to
heart, because I honestly consider myself to be a very calm
person, and I don’t like to get into that. Yes.
0:28:37
Yes, but let’s go back to that statement. What was it that T
said? What?
Page of 11When you told me, “bon’t you want justice in order to punish the
people who blew your dad’s brains out?” Do you remember you said
that to me? That was strong.
‘Ok, yes, but in what way am I threatening during that statement?
No, I’m not saying that you are threatening me, but that
sometimes you are the type of person that says things very
strongly, and you don’t weigh the consequences.
No, no, I am weighing the consequences.
That was bad, right? That you said that to me.
‘No, I don’t think that’s bad. 1/11 tell you why not. X will tell
you why not. Because I used the word “don’t you want justice.”
No, but you don’t need to repeat the way in which my Glad died. T
mean, everybody knows that already, I don’t need you to explain
to me, “You know what, they blew his brains out all over the
floor, and..”
0:29:36
No, hold on, hold on. Because it’s worth it to clarify that.
Because I'm willing to fight someone when that person wants to
intentionally attack you, but when there is a misunderstanding,
Thomas, I prefer to clarify things and to stay as friends,
because misunderstandings are not good. So, let’s take that. I
told you that to my uncle, they arrived with an AK and blew his
brains out, that I told you. I told you that I understand what
the family went through. Now, what I’m saying is don’t you want
Justice, given such a violent act? And if I have to describe it,
it is so you can recall the level of evil against which you are
fighting. Not to poke fun, not to attack the family, and not to
in any way disparage the memory of your father.
TH
0:30:30
Well, look, I already know how everything happened, and it was
not necessary to have me recall it.
[TBackground: Well, just forget about it already.)
TH
But okay, right now, we have a person who is waiting for us who.
is here, and who will help us at home, and so.. Whatever you find
out about, well, give me a call.
0:30:47
T/li let you know. I will tell you one thing. I did not threaten
your mother. If that is what she said to you, I do not agree
with that. I am willing to sustain I threat I make, but I do not
make threats. That, to me, is a dumb thing. If I’ve gone to
great lengths to help you, how can you believe I would say such
a thing. At that time, your mom must have told you [UZ], I would
have said something to you. And maybe she did not understand
correctly. I, what I was saying, is that the people who are
harming the family, those people are enemies. And I don’t have
much patience with enemies. And I don’t have a lot of compassion
for enemies. But that was not directed towards your mother, but
I don’t like, in a conversation, Thomas for you to attack me
about what I said or did not say. You said, “Everything that is
on the table stays on the table.” And evidently, it’s not like
that. You asked me. And now in this call, there have been
several conments that have been complaints. You tell ne, who is
breeching the agreement, you or me?
TH
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Well, now you know. Honestly, we don’t want our family’s name to
be used to make a circus, and we feel used, okay. And we don’t
want that. You had said that there would be other families who
would make their statements, and at this time, we don’t know
anything, and so, we prefer to just leave it as is.
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Yes, Thomas. Background: RMV: If it’s not too much to ask.] No,
I’m talking to you right now, Thomas. The family’s nase is not
being used for anything right now, zero. (Background: RMV: Now.)
Piged of 11‘nd the name was never used. And there were several families.
And I'11 tell you one thing, no one used you at all. The
statements that were made were to get rid of the judge. And
there, yes, tell me.
TH
0:33:04
Yes, but you didn’t send email to news media with the names of
other people. You only decided to use our family’s name to send
those emails, and that was not right, because the only impacted
people have been us. And we feel used because of that.
(Background: RMV: We don’t even know about the judge. 3
0:33:22
Yes, but hold on, Thomas. What happened there, yes, is that
there was trust with you, and I will tell you one thing.
Everything would have turned out alright, but no one told us
about your sister. Your sister was the one who (UI).
‘She can say whatever she wants, and no one pays any attention to
her, so don’t worry.
Everybody paid attention to her.
[Background: She knows perfectly well that Alex is not a (UIJ.J
She's never even set foot at court once. No one recognizes her.
(Background: And she knows that Alex is not capable of doing
that.J
‘That’s not true, She ie recognized as a relative. But the news
media recognized her. She is speaking to the enemy. The enemy is
seeking her out to attack you all. And that’s why, that’s why
the news stories don’t lie in that sense. I mean, I can’t tell
you, “That story didn’t come out.” The story said that you all
are not relatives, that the email account does not belong to
your mom, and that your brother doesn’t have the capacity to
even [UI]. So, I don’t think [UI].
[Background: She didn’t lie.J
Well, on that issue, she was right, because she knows perfectly
that neither my mom nor my brother know how to write well in
English. For this reason, she is completely right. She’s very -
smart. She’s highly intelligent.
‘And at that time...
We agree about that, because that is the truth, and she knows
4t. She’s very bright about that.
‘Thomas, she is saying that you do not have blood ties with your
father.
No, yes, that is wrong. But what she did get right is that
neither one knows how to write in English. (Background: RMV:
[UI]] I don’t know, but okay, that is a separate matter. So,
okay.
Yes, but one can use a translator, Thomas, and one can use
Google Translate. And the two of you, didn’t you study English?
No, but the translator tool is always getting it wrong. That’s
not the case. I have tried it, and it’s not even right. But
okay. What we want is just that, magistrate. That’s it, we don’t
want to be used anymore.
0:35:43
But there is sonething else here in the background. and it’s
better to clarify now, yes? You, see, at the time in which that
statement was sent, yes. There’s the proof. It has been approved
by the family, right? Here, nobody got your mom’s email, opened
up the account, put in the password, and then it was keyed in
and then, we sent her to McDonalds, and then it got sent to
behind her balk.
TH
What are you talking about. I don’t understand. From the time
the email was sent?
Page 10 of 11RR Yes.
TH That time, the time your wife wrote all of the contacts from the
news media or which time?
RR, That time that, well, see [UI].
TH But okay, that is a separate issue.
RR Well, yes, but you keep bringing it up. You keep tellang me that
my wife, and.
TH Yes, because that affected my mother a great deal. That email.
They keep pestering her about that, saying, “It was you who sent
this” and that you, it’s not true. It wasn’t her, it wasn’t her.
She doesn’t even know how to write through WhatsApp. Can you
imagine?
RR ‘That was your sister’s fault. Because no one signed your
mother’s name in that account. Right?
Rav [Aside: Tell him that we don’t want to chat anymore.]
TH Well, uhm, they're nudging us over here, magistrate, So we have
to go. Yes, they are asking us to open up the gate hexe so they
may start to work. (Background: RMV: Greetings.) If anything
cones up, well, let us know, and send greetings to your wife.
And well.
RAV ‘Goodbye.
RR T think this is very sad, Thomas, and I’ll tell you why, Because
we have not acted incorrectly. And the last time we said
goodbye, there was friendly hug, all of the negativity would
stay at the table. Bad people will continue to bug. That won't
end just like that. That’s why I’m calling you, so that you
understand what is coming, and what you have to do, but you
didn’t even give me a chance to explain. But if you'd like, we
can talk about it another time.
TH Yes, right now, we are very [UI]. We are highly busy; they are
nudging us because they want to start already. Instead, let’s do
it another time when we might have more time to chat
confortably, right?
RR, Perfect; do you want to call me or do you want me to call you?
TH Uhm, well, we will call you.
RR Call me on Friday if you want 50 we can chat. Because I want to
share with you what is important, so they won’t set a trap for
you.
TH ‘Alright then, thank you.
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