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Translated Transcription TITLE: 3.Llamada del magistrado rodriguez el dia 31 de agosto DATE OF TRANSCRIPTION: September 12, 2022 NUMBER OF SPEAKERS: 3 as outlined below TRANSCRIPT STYLE: Non-Verbatim SOURCE AUDIO LANGUAGE: Spanish FILE DURATION: 38 minutes 53 seconds TRANSCRIPTIONIST: Valeria B. Delmar, A LINGUA FRANCA LLC RMV — Rosa Maria Valdez RR — Roger Rodriguez TH - Thomas Hoffman, U/ - Unintelligible Translator’ Certfeation: rials. elma, hereby est that | am a tanlatrcetiied by the American Transators Assocation fr Spanish nto tng tha have Wnslated the reeenced audio, andthatto thebestof my knowledge, ability, and belie tis anelation re ive acurte, nd complete tansaton of the orginal Spanish anguage audio that was provided to me Date: 00/12/2022 _ Signatur TBEGINNING OF RECORDING] SPEAKER_| TIME CONTENT RAV 0:00:00 | Hello, hello. (Background: RR: Yes, hello.] Go ahead. (Background: RR: How are you?] Well, somewhat sad. Nothing has been done. (Background: RR: That nothing..] Let me put Thomas on. (Background: RR: Put Thomas on.) TH :00:26 |Hello. (Background: RR: How are you, Thomas?] How are you, magistrate? What news do you have? RR 7:00:36 | Well, that’s what I wanted to talk to you about. Your mon is telling me that she’s sad because nothing has been done. why does she say that? TH Ti0dr2 | It’s because, well, she hasn’t had a call about the visas or anything like that. BR 3:00:50] Oh, okay, well, that is a very specific point. Yes, but that nothing has been done, that seems to me too drastic of a statement. Have you been following the news? TH 0:01:02 | Excuse me? BR 0:01:04 [Have you been following the news? TH 0:01:05 |Well, yes, yes. We are a bit surprised at all of the cases in which they are being set free. BR Tiizié Oh, yes, that is very delicate, yes. But it’s also very, the risk is too much, the reason why we are so insistent on changing the judge, yes? TH Ti0i:28 | But there have been five-hundred seventy-one (571) cases. And that they want it to go up to one-thousand one-hundred (1,100) . BR i01z36 | ¥es, but keep in mind that a lot of that is politics, right? See, I can explain it to you, but, but it’s a technicality. Those people are not being set free. They are letting them go temporarily, but the DA will again, will charge them fornally, right? And it’s a technical process that when a cop arrests you, ‘the prosecutor has to take the case to the [UI] so that it maj Tage] of EXHIBIT en Vil be accepted, and it’s not worth it to give you an explanation that will take a half hour, where it is simply a political attack that they are doing.. TH Bnd why doesn’t Yvonne Rosales explain that before the. I mean, give that statement? I don’t understand. RR ‘She has done it, but she’s got.. remember she’s got the nedia against _her right now. TH oh. RR Bnd she has given statements, and they are in writing. she’s sent them. And she says, "No, it’s a ploy.” Remember that here, the interests of the other side, right, including the judge in the case of your father is [UI], it’s a big group. It’s not one person. And then, the judge who is handling those cases, the eriminal cases, he is also gunning for the [UI]. Because they represent the losing team. Because they all want. It’s like the PAN and the PRI. And she has made statements, but the press does not like to clarify things, because the press lives for the drama. Tt lives for. TH Of impactful news, right. RR Yes, from controversy. I mean, it could be real, it could be real, but it loves controversy. I mean, take a look at just Chihuahua, I mean, that Corral did this, that Cesar Duarte stole ‘a trillion, I mean, that is what people [UI]. But, right now, well, I’m Calling you so that we can keep the communication going, so that you are aware of what is going on and that you Know {UI}. We axe with you. If I don’t call, then there is no display of interest. Now, what I wanted to tell you is that what was done the other day was really good. That I can confirm to jou, okay? TH, What_is that? RR Do you hear me? TH Yes, But what was done the other day what? I didn’t hear clearly. RR What was done the other day had a very good impact. T mean, there was a good result fron what was done the other day. REV What was done? TH But what, what are you referring to? (Background: AMV: What was done?] I don’t understand. RR ‘What was done in Juarez the other day. BMV What? TH What was done in Juarez the other day. RR yes. RHV Look, magistrate, what I want to underscore is that for us, more than anything, we didn’t want to be involved in that controversy about journalists and all of that. Remember when your wife sent. ‘them all of those announcements? About this and that. we didn’t want that, magistrate. RR Yes. BMV We are in great danger. RR 9:05:28 | Please, I’m speaking with Thomas, right now. And I don’t want to have a misunderstanding with you, okay? That decision was taken, and I’m not in a position right now to revise what has been done. And my wife was not, she was not the one who sent that out, okay? BMV Who sent_them out? RR ‘She didn’t make that decision. BMV. But _she sent them. Fage2 of 11 Ma'am if you want to say that my wife sent that. Yes. She’s not the one who pressed the button on anything. ‘On the phone? Yes, she did. ‘Alright, then. gee igys We only signed so you could help us with regard to Briggs and this and that but not something so big. That has me scared now. Let_me put Thomas on. 3 Yes, that’s better, and I would ask of you not to interrupt the call anymore. ‘And now what is it that you are working on, magistrate? ale Well, I’m trying to explain it to you, Thomas. But, look, T don’t want your mother to get my wife involved, okay? Because my wife.. uh, what I don’t like is that your mom gets scared and all of a sudden she forgets and everything gets convoluted for her as to how things happened. And I’m not calling to see who did it or who didn’t do it, right, because you're making me lose a lot of time. I’m calling you to tell you what the next step is. What_is it? ala Rnd if not, if your mother, well, that’s why I’m calling you. But your mom initially answers me.. TH Tt’s because Channel seven (7) keeps sending her emails wanting to interview her and she feels pressured, because, well, they keep insisting, asking if she wrote, and well, she doesn’t even know how to write over the phone, so then, that’s why she’s scared, but okay. Yes, but the question is this, because 1’11 tell you, see, speak to Channel seven (7) if you want and say what you want. T am going to start to get exasperated by you, okay? Because you're bringing up dumb things. “Channel seven (7) is pressuring is.” Okay, and what does that matter? Why are you responding to Channel seven (7). And if they are leaving messages, why are you paying attention to Channel seven (7). Channel seven (7) is a traitor. Channel seven (7) accused you of [UI] of the family. And they are saying that your email is not real. So then, how will you trust, or how will you be willing to feel pressured by a channel, a news program. Journalists, you know, Thomas, are the worst. So, if you don’t have the strength to put up with a call from a TV channel, so then, please don’t, I mean, we are not talking about the same thing. If your mom wants to say that it was my wife who sent that-out, that is a mistake. Because on that, authorization was granted by the family to use that account and for that to go out. [Background: RMV: Did you see? It's going out.) Nothing was done incorrectly. Everything was done correctly. But when you hit evil, evil does not like it, and evil will want to, in some way, make you uncomfortable and Scared. But if that is what is going on, Thomas, I would tell you, call me when it is happening. Don’t wait until your mom ‘Starts to get nervous once again and starts to feel bad. When I said goodbye to you all in Juarez the other day, you asked me for something. Let’s leave all of the bad energy on the table. And we are together in this until the end. That is what you said, more or less. And I agreed. And so, if I’m calling you today to tell you what is going on truly, then, I think you need to listen to me and not complain. We are also not a visa machine either. The DA promised to ask for that, but remember that she is being viciously attacked. If you are watching the news, they | Page3 of 11 want to get her off the post, they want to fire her fxon her job. Why? Because she was willing to fight for you. 0:10:16 Well, I found out that the news media was outside of her office and that she didn’t even want to go out to give a statement. So, it wouldn’t have been a big deal for her to go out andi say, “this is happening, and this and that and this. And I want the people of El Paso to continue to believe in me, etc.” No, Thomas, it’s not that easy. It’s not that easy. Let me tell you why. Why? Because at that point they had just filed a petition for her removal, so they are setting a trap for her. They are putting pressure on her regarding the cases, which isn’t true, and at the same time, they file against her. They are looking to get her, so she could not come out at that time. The time will come where she will raise her voice, Thomas, but you cannot. criticize ‘a person who is at that level when you have never been at that level, when perhaps you don’t understand all of the system, and how it is progressing. Moreover, you did see that they want her removed, right? TH Yes, no, I’m not eriticizing her, I’m just telling you what I’m seeing on the news. That is all. No, you're adding a point, Thomas. You're adding, “why can’t she just go out and face them?” I’m telling you; she is fighting. She’s got the news media against her. If she goes out and faces this right now, they will attack her even worse. Look, let me ask you something, why don’t you go to the news media from El Paso and sit for an interview. Why don’t you do it? Is it to your benefit or not? Because we have decided not to talk anymore. Thomas... Well, see, we have decided, truly, not to talk about that anymore. That’s why, for the same reason. Now, I’m not telling you to do it. I’m using it as an example. Because it’s not in your best interest, because the last time you wanted to talk and to say the truth, that it was offensive to use the case for political means, what did the press do? The accused you, they attacked you. And the press lied. The press lied saying you weren’t even family members. TH No, but we also didn’t know anything about what Amanda had said or anything like that. No, but your sister did get involved, and your sister was very quick to say that it wasn’t you and that your brother was slow. And that your brother didn’t have the ability to even write. Hey, that, that is not true. Your brother is not slow. TH 0:13:05 Well, it’s because, truly, my brother is not slow but he has autism, so that makes him unable to speak to others. He doesn’t have the ability to write emails and things like that, Or13:25 T have an autistic son, and let me tell you something. Autism has a lot of levels. And for my part, from my interactions with your brother, your brother has the ability to recall, he has the ability to think, he has the ability to give his opinion. No, but he doesn’t know how to write English, truly. That 1 can absolutely guarantee. He doesn’t have that ability. ‘Of course, but he was not the one who wrote it alone. T mean, you and all of the family were present. But I’m not calling to faged of 11 See if something good or bad was done. 1 don’t think anything bad has been done, Thomas. The criticisms are not internal. I’m not calling you to criticize you at this time. Te Uh-huh. RR I’m calling you to tell you what is coming. TH ‘And _what’s coming? RR, “And how_to prepare for what’s coming. TH Hello? RR, Yes, can you hear me? TH Yes. RR Yes, so then, that’s why I’m calling you, Thomas. But, but you tell me. Look, before I tell you what is coming. You tell me, your mon is upset. That much is clear to me, okay? And you are upset. That is clear to me. Do you want me to continue to support you or would you rather I stop calling you? RAV. 0:14:59 | That _we don’t know. TH 0:15:00 | Well, look, truly, we don’t know any more what is going to happen, I mean, .that thing about the visas, you have been telling us about it for almost a month REV 0:15:08 | We don’t care about that, really. TH 0:15:09 [We've actually seen that we cannot expect any of that. People from Las Americas also contacted us. They will handle the requests of those visas. MV 0:15:21 | (Aside to TH: Due to what happened to your dad. TH 0:15:22 | Due to the victim right we have, victims of violence. So, with regard to that, don’t worry about it. RR, 0:15:31 | Yes, but let’s talk. TH 0:15:33 | Since we will look into that elsewhere, because we were waiting. You told us that it was a matter of week, and that the following week, the visa would be processed, and two (2) weeks have gone by and nothing has been done. RR Okay, but hold off a bit. Something was done, Thomas. TH What was done? Tell me. RR T spoke with the prosecutor and she assigned a prosecutor to ook into that matter. TH Yes, in another month or a yea RR Hold on, Thomas RAY [Aside to TH: We know that she is very busy.J TH We know that she is busy and won’t do it. We have come to that conclusion that that issue won't progress. RAV Orie:i8 | [Aside to TH: But we're not interested in that anymore.J TH 0:16:19 | But you know what, this Las Americas agency has made a commitment to us, so it’s set. You don’t have to worry about that. RR, 0:16:25 | Okay, let’s Forget about the visa. But what is the problem? TH 0:16:38 | That we're trusting you. That is the problem. That we're trusting you. That, no, yes, next week, the visas will be ready, and they will be moving along, and.. three (3) weeks have passed. RR O:i6i50 | Well, okay, see, Thomas. I never told you that next week, but that’s okay. See, you are upset with me, and for me, it’s okay, tell me instead what it is that you want, because I don’t like even the tone of the conversation. Tell me, why, I mean, do you prefer that I don’t bother you anymore? I won't. TH :i7:11 | Well, look, really, we just don’t want to have problas with anyone. That is the only thing that we want, and that’s it. Let's just leave this like that, and.as if you hadn't met us and that’s it. So we won't have to struggle with anything, fageS of 11 because, see, really, my mom is really affected. [Aside to TH: RMV: Because they really harmed us.] And all of the going around, you've been doing. [Aside to TH: RMV: It’s actually that we feel used.) And we also feel used. [sighs] Or17:45 That’s okay. Thomas, I understand it. I think it’s a mistake. I think that the enemies are going to win. The enemies are going to win, because they pressured you to the point that you felt overwhelmed, but in reality, we have never lied to you, and the other reality is that we've never taken a dollar from you. TH 0:18:14 Well, look, I would like it if you could prove all of those theories that you have told us, all of those conspiracies, we would love it if you could prove it and that you can stick it to them, that you can show them all of what you've told us. We would be very happy, but we are no longer willing to... [Aside to TH: We wish him all the best.} Yes, we wish you best of luck and the best, but... That’s perfectly fine, Thomas, I'm just telling you, I just want you to know that the judge set a hearing for two (2) weeks fron now. That’s why I was calling, okay? ‘Yes. T an telling you that my recommendation to you is that you not show up to that hearing. If you want to come.. but I know right now that the judge really wants a piece of you. In particular, your mother. ‘You see, that’s why I didn’t want any of this. But okay. But life is like this, and if 1 don’t tell you the truth, you won't know how to protect yourself at this time. But I’1] make it easier for you, I mean, I’m not asking anything of you, I’m just telling you, you know what, I don’t think that hearing will take place, because before that hearing takes place, Thomas, the prosecutor is going to ask that the judge be removed. Ori9:44 ‘Uh-huh. 0:19:45 ‘And when they remove him, Thomas, when they succeed in taking this monster away who was harmed your family so much, when they xenove him, I want you to think of me. 0719257 Okay. ala 0:19:58 T want you to recall this moment. I am calling as a friend, to help and give you information. I’m not asking anything of you, nothing. But what I’m realizing is that there are a lot of complaints where I don’t feel there is a reason for there to be complaints. And they will remove that judge, because good always prevails over evil, Thomas. But I do want one (1) thing to be Clear, it’s not cool to be assigning blame along the way. What your mom did to my wife just now was not cool. That ny wife was Fesponsible for everything. That is not true, and I’m not willing to hear that. So, I’m telling you, Thomas, faith will [UI] [Aside to TH: RMV: It’s not fair that he assign ali the blame to me.) 0:20:46 Yes, no, no. 1 know. 0:20:52 No, I’m not blaming anybody, nor am I blaming your mon. But 17m not blaming anybody, because I don’t believe there is fault. 1 think that: the enemies.. the bad guys will always try to twist the truth, and like your sister. Your sister is not a good person, and even if you try to help her. The only thing that she will do is take you down. I’m calling you now, Thomas, because that was the last agreement we had, that the negativity would stay on the table, and that is what I respected. And all that was done that day was done correctly, and I’m telling you, that fige6 of 7 the judge will be renoved. That’s why I’m calling you, so that you are at peace, so that you know that hard blows are coming against the enemies. If you are willing to persevere. All I’m telling you is not to let the pressure get to you from dumb people like from the news media. Those people love to lie. They just love to attack. It has been three (3) years, Thomas. why is it that the news media is not saying, “Let’s have the trial now." Why not? Why don’t they ask how this judge was selected? Why don’t they ask? The ballistic results are in from that day’s shooting. Thomas, there are a lot of things that you all don’t know, but I am telling you, “Hey, friend.” Are you treating me like’a friend at this time, or are you treating me like an employee? You tell me. We are not like that. TH Well, it’s because we only.. All 1 want is for my mom to be left alone, that is all. 0:22:36 ‘Thomas, I don’t either. 1 pray every day so that this will end. Do you think that I.. let’s see, with this I'll respond to anything you might want to know. What do I have to gain from your dear mom being bothered? Nothing. What do I have to gain from this being extended? Nothing. TA 0:22:55 ‘Okay- 0:22:56 What I want is the sane thing you want which is that this nightmare end already. (UI). TH 0:23:02 ‘Okay, magistrate. Well, you know. On our end, you continue on with your case, and as for us, we just want to be left alone, and well, that’s it. 0723719 T agree with that. I agree with you. Now, when you say, “I want to be left alone.” Do you want to know what will happen or do you want me to not tell you anymore what is going to happen? [Aside: Yes, he can let us know.] Well, yes, you may let us know, but. TAside: But we don’t want to give you any problens.J But I don’t want to give my mom any problems. That’s it. age eleloll 3:45 But we return to the same thing. I don’t want it. I didn’t want your mom to be bothered at all. Your mom didn’t sign anything. Additionally, your sister attacked your mom, but I didn’t know she lived or existed, that lady. And I got really upset by what your sister did. But I, at that time, didn’t blame anyone. Because I’m older, Thomas, I know that in life, nothing is perfect. And I know that God has his way, and He knows why He put your sister along the way. But I’11 tell you one thing, we've never done you wrong, and we've never done anything that goes against your mother, saying, “Oh, we want the press to go after her.” No, I would want the press to calm down, believe me, and for them to start saying the truth. The day that you and I disagree, Thomas, you can be sure that I’1l be the first to say, “You know what, we don’t share the same interests.” But right now, my interest is justice. That your rights and your mom's rights be respected, that is my interest. Your father’s trial, that justice be done in that case, is my interest. And for that corrupt judge who has harmed so many people not to continue on this case, that is a shared interest. [UI]. TH 0:25:17 That is what I don’t understand, judge. I mean, magistrate. That 4s what I don’t understand. 0:25:21, What is that? fage7 of 11 0:25:22 Because what upset me the most was on the day that we were at Sanborn’s and you asked me to get change for the one-hundred (100) dollar bill, mom told me that you told her some things that were very strong. And she started to feel bad. That you said, (Aside: How was it? What did he tell you?) TBackground: That as an enemy.. That as a friend, he was good and as_an enemy, even better.] TH ‘That as a friend, you're good and as an enemy, even better. I mean, I take that as you trying to threaten her. (Background: to threaten.J I did not threaten your mother. TH ‘And that, that saying, is not used unless a person wants to threaten the other. And that, she took it really bad, and that day she felt really bad. And that is why I am upset. But wait a minute, wait a minute, if you are asking me whether I threatened your mother, the answer is, “No.” [UI] That I said that to your mother? Yes. ‘Yes, Thomas, but I also told you that your mom is not doing well right now. She has gone through a lot of stress. She is not processing everything, and your mom will say things here and there that are not congruent with what happened. How can you believe I would sling such a dumb thing your mother’s way? What's wrong with you. 0726245 No, well, I believe everything she tells me. I don’t think she made it up. 0:26:52 No, but you also know that sometimes your mother doesn’t xemember things as they are. 0:26:58 [Aside to TH: Yes, I do remember. 1 remember things more so than you. Tell him.} Look, if I had threatened. Took, she truly has an amazingly good memory. 1 don’t question any of that when it comes to her. But in the future, if you plan on addressing her, don’t tell her things like that, because really that, that makes me doubt this relationship. 0:27:23 But hold on, if Thad said that, I am man enough to say that I threatened your mother. I’m going to tell you something. I’m not an idiot who would threaten her like that. No way. I did say ‘that I was not liking how things were being handled, but I said it in front of you. With your mom, I didn’t speak on substantial things until you returned. (Background: Yeah, right.J Not until your return. [UI], but I’m going to tell you another thing, Thomas, I am not the type of person that does one (1) thing and then changes. If I had threatened your mom, I would have done it in front of you. Would you have shot at me or dig a knife in me? TH 0728709 No, I-realize that you sometimes do say things that are very strong. For instance, when you told me, don’t you want justice for the person who blew your dad’s brains out? I mean that is also strong. And truly, I didn’t want to take it too much to heart, because I honestly consider myself to be a very calm person, and I don’t like to get into that. Yes. 0:28:37 Yes, but let’s go back to that statement. What was it that T said? What? Page of 11 When you told me, “bon’t you want justice in order to punish the people who blew your dad’s brains out?” Do you remember you said that to me? That was strong. ‘Ok, yes, but in what way am I threatening during that statement? No, I’m not saying that you are threatening me, but that sometimes you are the type of person that says things very strongly, and you don’t weigh the consequences. No, no, I am weighing the consequences. That was bad, right? That you said that to me. ‘No, I don’t think that’s bad. 1/11 tell you why not. X will tell you why not. Because I used the word “don’t you want justice.” No, but you don’t need to repeat the way in which my Glad died. T mean, everybody knows that already, I don’t need you to explain to me, “You know what, they blew his brains out all over the floor, and..” 0:29:36 No, hold on, hold on. Because it’s worth it to clarify that. Because I'm willing to fight someone when that person wants to intentionally attack you, but when there is a misunderstanding, Thomas, I prefer to clarify things and to stay as friends, because misunderstandings are not good. So, let’s take that. I told you that to my uncle, they arrived with an AK and blew his brains out, that I told you. I told you that I understand what the family went through. Now, what I’m saying is don’t you want Justice, given such a violent act? And if I have to describe it, it is so you can recall the level of evil against which you are fighting. Not to poke fun, not to attack the family, and not to in any way disparage the memory of your father. TH 0:30:30 Well, look, I already know how everything happened, and it was not necessary to have me recall it. [TBackground: Well, just forget about it already.) TH But okay, right now, we have a person who is waiting for us who. is here, and who will help us at home, and so.. Whatever you find out about, well, give me a call. 0:30:47 T/li let you know. I will tell you one thing. I did not threaten your mother. If that is what she said to you, I do not agree with that. I am willing to sustain I threat I make, but I do not make threats. That, to me, is a dumb thing. If I’ve gone to great lengths to help you, how can you believe I would say such a thing. At that time, your mom must have told you [UZ], I would have said something to you. And maybe she did not understand correctly. I, what I was saying, is that the people who are harming the family, those people are enemies. And I don’t have much patience with enemies. And I don’t have a lot of compassion for enemies. But that was not directed towards your mother, but I don’t like, in a conversation, Thomas for you to attack me about what I said or did not say. You said, “Everything that is on the table stays on the table.” And evidently, it’s not like that. You asked me. And now in this call, there have been several conments that have been complaints. You tell ne, who is breeching the agreement, you or me? TH 0232711 Well, now you know. Honestly, we don’t want our family’s name to be used to make a circus, and we feel used, okay. And we don’t want that. You had said that there would be other families who would make their statements, and at this time, we don’t know anything, and so, we prefer to just leave it as is. O:32734 Yes, Thomas. Background: RMV: If it’s not too much to ask.] No, I’m talking to you right now, Thomas. The family’s nase is not being used for anything right now, zero. (Background: RMV: Now.) Piged of 11 ‘nd the name was never used. And there were several families. And I'11 tell you one thing, no one used you at all. The statements that were made were to get rid of the judge. And there, yes, tell me. TH 0:33:04 Yes, but you didn’t send email to news media with the names of other people. You only decided to use our family’s name to send those emails, and that was not right, because the only impacted people have been us. And we feel used because of that. (Background: RMV: We don’t even know about the judge. 3 0:33:22 Yes, but hold on, Thomas. What happened there, yes, is that there was trust with you, and I will tell you one thing. Everything would have turned out alright, but no one told us about your sister. Your sister was the one who (UI). ‘She can say whatever she wants, and no one pays any attention to her, so don’t worry. Everybody paid attention to her. [Background: She knows perfectly well that Alex is not a (UIJ.J She's never even set foot at court once. No one recognizes her. (Background: And she knows that Alex is not capable of doing that.J ‘That’s not true, She ie recognized as a relative. But the news media recognized her. She is speaking to the enemy. The enemy is seeking her out to attack you all. And that’s why, that’s why the news stories don’t lie in that sense. I mean, I can’t tell you, “That story didn’t come out.” The story said that you all are not relatives, that the email account does not belong to your mom, and that your brother doesn’t have the capacity to even [UI]. So, I don’t think [UI]. [Background: She didn’t lie.J Well, on that issue, she was right, because she knows perfectly that neither my mom nor my brother know how to write well in English. For this reason, she is completely right. She’s very - smart. She’s highly intelligent. ‘And at that time... We agree about that, because that is the truth, and she knows 4t. She’s very bright about that. ‘Thomas, she is saying that you do not have blood ties with your father. No, yes, that is wrong. But what she did get right is that neither one knows how to write in English. (Background: RMV: [UI]] I don’t know, but okay, that is a separate matter. So, okay. Yes, but one can use a translator, Thomas, and one can use Google Translate. And the two of you, didn’t you study English? No, but the translator tool is always getting it wrong. That’s not the case. I have tried it, and it’s not even right. But okay. What we want is just that, magistrate. That’s it, we don’t want to be used anymore. 0:35:43 But there is sonething else here in the background. and it’s better to clarify now, yes? You, see, at the time in which that statement was sent, yes. There’s the proof. It has been approved by the family, right? Here, nobody got your mom’s email, opened up the account, put in the password, and then it was keyed in and then, we sent her to McDonalds, and then it got sent to behind her balk. TH What are you talking about. I don’t understand. From the time the email was sent? Page 10 of 11 RR Yes. TH That time, the time your wife wrote all of the contacts from the news media or which time? RR, That time that, well, see [UI]. TH But okay, that is a separate issue. RR Well, yes, but you keep bringing it up. You keep tellang me that my wife, and. TH Yes, because that affected my mother a great deal. That email. They keep pestering her about that, saying, “It was you who sent this” and that you, it’s not true. It wasn’t her, it wasn’t her. She doesn’t even know how to write through WhatsApp. Can you imagine? RR ‘That was your sister’s fault. Because no one signed your mother’s name in that account. Right? Rav [Aside: Tell him that we don’t want to chat anymore.] TH Well, uhm, they're nudging us over here, magistrate, So we have to go. Yes, they are asking us to open up the gate hexe so they may start to work. (Background: RMV: Greetings.) If anything cones up, well, let us know, and send greetings to your wife. And well. RAV ‘Goodbye. RR T think this is very sad, Thomas, and I’ll tell you why, Because we have not acted incorrectly. And the last time we said goodbye, there was friendly hug, all of the negativity would stay at the table. Bad people will continue to bug. That won't end just like that. That’s why I’m calling you, so that you understand what is coming, and what you have to do, but you didn’t even give me a chance to explain. But if you'd like, we can talk about it another time. TH Yes, right now, we are very [UI]. We are highly busy; they are nudging us because they want to start already. Instead, let’s do it another time when we might have more time to chat confortably, right? RR, Perfect; do you want to call me or do you want me to call you? TH Uhm, well, we will call you. RR Call me on Friday if you want 50 we can chat. Because I want to share with you what is important, so they won’t set a trap for you. TH ‘Alright then, thank you. TEND OF RECORDING] Page! of 11

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