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JOE VITALE – TRANSCRIPT

Edward Mills: Hello and welcome. I’m Edward Mills, the producer of The Abundant Mystic
Teleseminar series. And I am so pleased and honored to have, Joe Vitale, with me
today on the call.

Doctor Joe Vitale is the author of way too many best selling books to mention here.
I’ll mention just a few of them. They include: The Attractor Factor; Life’s Missing
Instruction Manual; The Key; Zero Limits, and his latest book; Attract Money Now.

Joe has also recorded a ton of audio programs. To name just a few: The Awakening
Course; The missing Secret, and; The Secret to Attracting Money.

Joe has also been in several movies, including the blockbuster: The Secret. He’s
been on Larry King and Donny Deutsch’s TV shows.

Joe also created a; Miracle’s Coaching Program; that helps people achieve their
dreams by understanding the deeper aspects of the Law of Attraction, and the Law
of Right Action.

Joe was once homeless, but today he is a best selling author who believes in magic
and miracles.

Joe, thank you so much for being on the call, with me today.

Joe Vitale: Of course! I’m flattered! I’m excited! I’m eager! Let’s rock n roll!

Edward Mills: Let’s do it!

So the first question, that I am asking all of the abundant mystic faculty members, is:
How do you define abundance?

Joe Vitale: I have at least two levels of a definition for you. The first is; to realize that life itself,
and your existence in it, is an abundant state of being. Most people don’t realize that
at all. Most people will dismiss it. But we are already alive, so we are experiencing
abundance right now. It is a miracle of living. That’s the first level.

The second level is that; you can acquire and attract and achieve anything that you
want, that you can visualize and you can imagine having in your experience, to
enrich your abundance; by using your God given – Divine given, innate talents. So
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for me, you’re already abundant. And you can have more by using some of the
principles that we’ve been learning about; that I teach and write about.

Edward Mills: So how would that have worked for you? I know in the bio... and I’ve heard you talk
about how there was a time when you, to the external eye, would not have appeared
abundant. How would that first definition have applied to you, at that point in your
life?

Joe Vitale: Well the first definition would apply, but I wouldn’t have agreed to it.

Edward Mills: [Laughter]

Joe Vitale: In other words; when I’m standing on the streets in Dallas... back in 1977, 78,
whenever it was, it was thirty, whatever many years ago. ...And you would have
walked up and said, “Hey Joe. Do you realize that you are abundant and living in an
abundant universe, and that your life, right now; is the greatest miracle of all?” You
might have got a fist in the face, or an angry look, or me stomping off, who knows
what it would be. My mind was not at a place to accept the reality. So for me, the
abundance is already there. It’s a fundamental underlying principle of life. But we
aren’t in alignment with it, which causes all of the frustration – which causes all of
the discord – the discomfort, and actually even attracts the very break in the
relationship, that we’re trying to remedy.

So for me, at that point in time, a long time ago: No, I didn’t think I was abundant!
No, I wouldn’t have believed it, because I was looking for the outer to fulfill me. I
was looking for the... Well I had nothing. I had no car. I had no home. I had no
friends. I had no money. I was looking for all of those things to say, “Joe, it’s okay
for you to be happy. Joe, it’s okay for you to be abundant. Joe, it’s okay for you to
relax.”

And you can draw a parallel to that, because there’s plenty of people, that I’ve met,
that are homeless and are happy. They actually experience wherever they are at, as
being an abundant state. But when we don’t realize that; wherever we are is
abundant in and of itself, that’s when we start the disharmony. And that’s when we
actually create all of the riffs, and keep on attracting more things to make us feel like
we are not abundant, and we are not in an abundant universe. And we will look all
around to find all of the evidence to prove we’re not in an abundant universe. But
underlying it all; it’s abundant.

Edward Mills: Now, very few people listening to this call will be in a similar situation to you. Very
few people will be homeless on the streets of Dallas. But many people, on this call,
will probably be in the mental position that you were in; where they’re not thinking
that they’re abundant.

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What were some of the key moments, and the key insights, that allowed you to shift
your mind; so that you could actually see, and believe, and feel; that you were living
in an abundant universe?

Joe Vitale: Well one of my favorite stories to tell, and there’s a movie called: The Compass. I
tell in the story... and it’s pretty vivid and well done, and pretty unforgettable. And
it’s the idea; I remember struggling and hearing over and over again that; I was
already abundant. And I had to realize that in order to attract more abundance in
my life. And I would just keep saying out loud, or to myself, “Yeah, I feel abundant,
but as soon as I have a job, or I have cash, then I’ll acknowledge that I’m in an
abundant universe.” And people would say things like... you know some of the
spiritual teachers of the day, “You have to practice gratitude. You have to look
around and say, I am grateful for my life.” And I was way too bitter to say anything
like that, until one day, when I finally said, “I’ve got to experiment, because what I’m
doing is not working – what I’m thinking is not working -what I’m believing is not
working. I’ve got to try something else.” So I experimented with gratitude. I looked
around my little place, where I was living at the time. And by then, I had a little
studio apartment or something like that. And, for me, it was unhappiness. It wasn’t
what I wanted. It wasn’t the mansion. I wasn’t grateful for it. I was off the streets,
but I wasn’t even grateful for that.

And so I picked up a pencil... the only thing I could find in the room that I actually
began to feel grateful for ...and I picked up a pencil and said, “Okay, I can feel grateful
for this pencil. I guess with this pencil; I can write a poem, or I can write a suicide
note, or I can write a grocery list, or I can write a movie, or I can write the great
American novel, or I can write,” you know, whatever it was. And as I started to
explore that; I started to feel like; wow this pencil is actually quite a miracle. I can
write anything I choose to write, from affirmations, to goal setting, to visualizations,
to scripts, to books. I mean, I can do anything with this pencil.

I started to feel different within myself. And then I looked at the other end of the
pencil, and there’s an eraser. And I thought, “What a marvelous invention. I can
erase the suicide note. I can correct the article I was writing, or the great American
novel, or the script, and change the dialogue, and nobody will ever know it.

I started to change my energy. And even as I start to tell this story, now, I start to
get more energy going through me. I feel a little happier. I feel a little more upbeat.
And I started to move into that mind set of; gratitude. And that was a turning point.
Because; I remember looking up from the pencil and suddenly the room that I
wasn’t grateful for was, like my oasis. And I started to think, “Oh my God! There are
people in third world countries that are living in the dirt. They are sleeping outside
in the weather, no matter what it happens to be, and they may not have food at all
for days. And they’re dying young and dying off really quick. And here I am
complaining about my little air conditioned apartment, in Texas. And I’ve got food

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in my little fridge, and there’s some water in it, and I’ve got a pencil to write my
novel, and an eraser to correct it, if it isn’t right.

And so; it was that kind of a technique; that I began to just play touch and go with.
That began an inner transformation. Now that didn’t last very long. That was not an
overnight change. I had to keep going back to it, but as I said, in the movie; that was
a beginning of a transformation - that was the beginning of an awakening - that was
the beginning of realizing, “Oh goodness! I do have abundance around me. I haven’t
been acknowledging it.”

Edward Mills: Is gratitude something that you have incorporated as a regular practice, since that
time?

Joe Vitale: I love that question.

I say that I am where I am today... which means; I have a car collection. I’ve got my
own little compound or estate that I live in. I’m in my brand new office here, which
is all wood - with some of the most amazing furniture, and equipment, and things
like that, in here. I am in this place... the guy who went from homeless to this
luxurious lifestyle, and best selling books, and all of these movies, and travelling
around the world, largely because of the daily practice of gratitude.

I’ve been telling this story many times; that I now have a hot tub, which is one of the
greatest investments of my life. Almost every night, I get in the hot tub... it’s outside.
It’s under the Texas sky. And cold, or warm, or whatever the weather happens to
be; I sit in that hot tub and while looking at the stars just say, “Thank you.” And I’ll
look at every star and say, “Thank you. Thank you. Thank you,: as if I am making
direct contact with the Divine.

And I think; it’s that feeling that I constantly go back to, that causes me to attract
more things to be grateful for. And that’s one of the big lessons for anybody who
wants to attract experience and live from a place of prosperity and abundance; is to
start feeling grateful for what you already have. And the more you move into that
space; you start to live from an energy field that attracts more experiences that are
either, like it or far, far, better, than the one you were just focusing on. So for me; it’s
a daily expression. I try to do it through out the day, but it’s an evening meditation
and evening contemplative time.

Edward Mills: Now, it sounds like, at this point in your life, you’ve gotten to where that feeling and
experience of gratitude is pretty easy to come by. But when you were making the
transition out of; you know the homeless - being on the street; my guess is that there
were times when it might have been a little bit difficult to conjure up that gratitude.
What specific practices or tools, did you find, help you... you know, make a transition
into gratitude, as a more natural state for you?

Joe Vitale: Yeah. That’s a great question.

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And I do admit that; that was really rough to do, and tough to do. You talk about a
challenge. Because; I’m trying to get my mind to go in a new direction, and a
habitual force of nature already had my mind going in a negative way. I was very
skeptical. I was negative. I was hopeful for the future. I knew I wanted to be an
author. I was writing things. I was making the steps to go in the right direction. But
it wasn’t working out. I would focus on the; it’s not working out, and the
unpleasantness of it. And I’d look around at where I was, and I wouldn’t appreciate
it, and think I want something else. And I kept dismissing where I was. So trying to
come from a place of constant gratitude, or even reminding myself to do it every
day; was a massive challenge and struggle.

So what did I do to help with that? One of the things that I’ve always relied on is,
reading. And even when I was homeless, one of the best places to go, and many
homeless people do this; they go to the library. I’ve always lived at the library. I’m
just lucky enough to create my own library in my home now, and I can stay there
and read and do it online, of course. But way back then, I’d go and read the success
literature of the day: The Napoleon Hill, The Claude Bristol, The Dale Carnegie, and
on, and on, and on. I’d just read in that whole area, as a way to brainwash myself in
a positive way. I had already allowed myself to be brainwashed in a negative way.

Most of the media, most of society is keeping us in a victim mentality. They’re not
doing it necessarily consciously or intentionally, but that’s the message that we
grasp. And until we wake up and start to make new choices; we’re going to stay in
that mind set.

So I had to break from that mindset. And I knew enough; that if I read the wisdom of
the universe, and just kept reading it, that I would soak it into my neurons. So the
first thing I was doing, was reading. I was reading a tremendous amount. I’ve
always loved books. I was loving books then, and I am still a book-aholic, and was a
book-aholic then. So I did that, at the library.

The next level of doing the same thing was with audios. And back then, of course,
they were cassettes. And the library started to get cassettes. When I started to get
money; I’d put my car... wherever I was working, whenever I had a car, whenever I
had work ...into a university on wheels. And I was listening to Nightingale Conant,
and Nightingale and whatever kind of self improvement – self-help - optimistic
thinking audios, that I could find, because again, I was trying to feed my brain. And
both of these were very instrumental in causing me to have a turnaround.

Now again, that wasn’t overnight either. Because I had, at that point, you know
thirty some years, a lifetime of programming in a negative way. And I was trying to
erase the program and rewrite it. So reading helped. The audios helped. And then I
would also go and find support. And I now know that; I think everybody needs to
have a coach in order to break through and have permanent change, or at least very
fast accelerated change. But I would go to the Unity churches, the Unitarian

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Churches, the science of mind talk. I’d go to self improvement seminars. I’d go to
the free ones for sure, if they had them, and listen to the teasers, and tried to hang
around people who were like me; either already making a difference, or trying to
make a difference in their lives.

So all three of these; are very big elements that are big in changing your life.

Edward Mills: And just to give the people listening on the line who, you know, may be struggling
financially. Approximately how long did it take until you moved into a place where
you would... you know looking back now ...you would say; you had a level of
abundance in the physical external world?

Joe Vitale: That’s an awkward question for me to answer, because when I tell people I’m an
overnight success, as long as you say overnight is twenty years...

Edward Mills: [Laughter]

Joe Vitale: They realize, or fall into fears like, “Oh I don’t want to spend twenty years doing
this.” And what I want to back it up by saying... my, add on statement is; that it no
longer has to take twenty years. It took twenty years for me and maybe people like
me, during that time period, or even before it, because we didn’t have the internet.
We didn’t have all of the tools like; this very call, these interviews that you’re doing.
We didn’t have all of the resources that are available either online or offline.

For example my new book, Attract Money Now; I give it away. I tell people to go on
line. And if they don’t have a computer; go to the library and go online there, and go
to attractmoneynow.com, and they can read it for free.

Well it’s that kind of thing; I don’t remember being available for me back in the
seventies or early eighties. So you can speed up the process of transformation with
all of these new tools, methods, support and freebies like, Attract Money Now.

Edward Mills: Is there anything; that you think, could have accelerated the time it took you to
become, quote unquote, an overnight success?

Joe Vitale: Oh yes. Oh yes, absolutely. See the thing that would have accelerated it, at that time,
would have been for me to raise my hand and say, “I need help.”

Edward Mills: Ah!

Joe Vitale: And that’s the thing most of us don’t want to admit. And I have found that as soon as
I quit trying to run the show, control the show, and do it all by myself, and said,
“Look I need some help. Lead me to the books, the resources, or give me a coach, or
a mentor, or get me in the self-improvement class, or the mastermind group that I
can go on a regular basis...” And you will accelerate the process, beyond all
comprehension. And that would have been true for me.

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But at that point in time, my hero’s of the day were people like; Jack London and
Ernest Hemingway. They were the authors of the world and were very tough guys.
They were the masculine ones who tried to say basically; “I’m going to beat the
world. I’m going to dominate the earth. I’m going to hunt and kill. I’m going to
come out with the best selling books, and I’m going to do it all by myself. I’m going
to say it on top of the mountain top, and raise my rifle in the sky and say, I rule the
planet.” Those were my hero’s, and both of them died of suicides. So when I
realized that, “Oh if I follow that path, I’m going to end my life early, or I’m just going
to be unhappy and struggle my entire career.”

When I finally let go and said, “Help me” and quit trying to be... the phrase I
remember I learned back in the eighties I think it was, at a seminar I went to is; “Too
many of you are trying to be a lone ranger.” And when I quit trying to be the lone
ranger, the character on television, and started to say, “Look, I need a team, and
please help me with this.”

That’s when the acceleration would have taken place earlier for me.

Edward Mills: And what was it that enabled you to make the shift from lone ranger into being on a
team, or attracting a team, to help you?

Joe Vitale: Yeah.

Well the first thing was awareness; which I hope is what’s happening to the people
listening to this. Because, I’m a great believer that if you’re just aware of what
you’re doing, and aware of your options, and make new choices, and new decisions;
you’re going to change your life in a heartbeat, right then and there.

I had gone to an event, and it was called Power Networking. It was with Sandy Vilas
and Donna Fisher. They’re two wonderful people, and I’m still friends with both of
them. I believe both of them are still out there. They’re still doing seminars. And it
was at that seminar that I went to that I heard them talk about; that we’re all trying
to do it by ourselves, and if you all work together, and start making friends right
there in the room, and create a support team, right there in the room, and started to
mastermind with each other, and support each other in your goals; you will advance
in your careers far faster.

And I heard that and I realized that I was really stopping myself from growing. And
in the class they gave this wonderful example; they said, “The reason that you’re not
asking for help, is that you’re afraid to.” And they asked us to pause and consider:
When someone asks you for help, how do you feel? And I remember thinking, well I
always feel good. If somebody asks me for help, and I’m actually able to help them,
then I feel like I’ve done a good deed. I’ve been able to help somebody. There’s a
nice social rapport going on. I have this phrase called: “Karmic Marketing,” that
kicks in, and I’ve earned good karmic marketing points. You know, there’s all kind
of good feelings. And they said, “Well that’s how people feel when you ask them for

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help.” When I suddenly realized that, “Oh, if I only ask for help, the people who are
willing to help, and that can help are going to feel good when they do it.

I had a paradigm shift. My mind opened up, and I realized that, “You’ve got to quit
doing it by yourself, Joe! And when you ask for help, you’re going to ask the people
who are going to be willing to help.” That was a big turning point.

Edward Mills: That’s great.

I want to shift gears, because there are so many areas I want to cover with you. But
you mentioned something, in an answer, a little while ago about not watching news
and TV, and I think that’s so critical. Do you watch any news or TV, at this point?

Joe Vitale: No! Which, is so bizarre because; they’re coming to me. ABC News for example; was
here on Monday filming me, and they’re going to come back for an interview.
They’re doing a special, on positive thinking, that’ll be airing in a few months.

And I have mixed feelings about it, because I don’t watch the main stream news at
all. I don’t... maybe if I walked through a restaurant and it’s on; I might catch a
glimpse of something. And maybe, when I’m online and I exit a webpage,
sometimes, the news bulletins will show up. But unless an army invades my hill
country home here; I won’t know about anything going on in the world.

And my rule of thumb is; the media - the mainstream media - is reporting on things
that are not personally influencing me. They don’t impact me. I was trained as a
journalist in college, and we were trained to report on the news, and the news was
defined as anything bad.

So in other words; anything good, it’s not going to be of use to the news people,
because they figure people aren’t really doing to watch it. And most people,
especially those that are still in the victim mentality; they’re looking at it for
reinforcement. It reinforces their fear. It reinforces their victimhood. It reinforces
the idea; that they need to stay at home and keep their doors and windows locked,
and be barricaded. It reinforces all of that. And it kicks in on an emotional level. It
kicks into that part of their brain; that is all dealing with survival. And so there’s not
a whole lot of thinking about it, on the viewer’s part.

On the news people’s part, all they know is that; if we keep putting out this negative
stuff, we’ll keep getting viewers, and we need to keep getting viewers. Because
why? They’re selling advertising on those commercials. And the whole thing about
the news bulletin is that; they want you to watch the news so you’ll stay long enough
to hear the ads, and the ads will only be there if the news people have viewers.

So there’s a whole system in play, to keep the negative programming going on. And
until you actually break free and realize; it is not serving you, it is not helping you,

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and you need to turn it off, you can be brainwashed by it. You can be deeply
influenced by it.

I know I talked to a billionaire a while back and he said he does watch the news, but
he limits it to three minutes a day.

Edward Mills: Wow.

Joe Vitale: And in that three minutes, he sees whatever the top headlines are. And I thought;
that’s probably a smart way to do it; at least you know what is going on in the world,
on a top level, and for conversation alone. You can comment on it, or at least know
what’s up when somebody comments on it, to you.

But I don’t think any of us need to go very deep into it. We should be busy focusing
on our personal lives, and focusing on the wellbeing of ourselves, and doing good in
the world.

Edward Mills: Well and that topic ties into Ho’o Pono Pono in a way, because... for people who
don’t know Ho’o Pono Pono, you’ll be able to explain it better. But I kind of look at it
as, sort of, an extrapolation of the Law of Attraction, in that the Law of Attraction
says, “Take responsibility for your own life.” But in many ways Ho’o Pono Pono says,
“Take responsibility for everything that comes into your life, everything that you
perceive.” And if you’re watching the news, then you are ingesting a lot of negative
stuff that then; if you believe that we’re responsible for everything, you know;
you’ve got a lot of clearing to do.

Joe Vitale: Yeah, we have a lot of clearing to do any way you look at it.

Edward Mills: True.

Joe Vitale: And if you start watching the news; boy are you going to stir stuff up.

So first of all, yes. I say that the Law of Attraction is a law meaning that; everything
in your life experience you attracted it. So you may not have done it consciously, but
in an unconscious level, we live in a belief driven universe. You’ve got beliefs in
your unconscious mind that have caused you to attract whatever you’re looking at.
So if it’s in your reality, you attracted it.

Well, Ho’o Pono Pono goes a little deeper and a little further than that. I wrote about
this in my book; Zero Limits... and for some people this was the most life changing
book of their lives, and for other people; it was the most irritating book of their lives.
Because, it was all about one hundred percent responsibility - no exceptions - no
disclaimers - no excuses - no nothing. If it’s in your life experience, you helped
create it on some level. And if you do turn on the news, and there was a murder, or
an earthquake, or some recession, depression, or whatever it happens to be; you
can’t look at it and go, “Wow, they need to fix this,” or “Boy there’s a mess out there.”
You actually have to look at it and go, “Okay. It’s in my awareness. I create my own

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reality. This is in my reality. I helped create this reality.” And you’ve got to clean on
it; which is the whole Ho’o Pono Pono technique described in the book; Zero Limits.

And, it’s a way of communicating with God, or the Divine, or the Life Force, whatever
you want to call it - to help erase the programming that’s in us that created, slash,
attracted; the very thing we’re complaining about.

So we’re doing it from the inside. Everything that we’re seeing is an inside job. And
when we change the inside, miraculously, the outside changes; or at least seems to.
Because, it’s almost like you are the projector, and you’ve been projecting this movie
out, from the inside of your skull. So the projector’s in your skull. The beliefs are
what’s on the film, as its shining light from inside your heart, through that projector,
that’s going through your eyes. And you look out in the universe, and what you’re
seeing is the movie that you created. So how do you change the movie that you
created? Well you’ve got to go back inside yourself. Go back to the projector. Go
back to the mental imprint that you put on the film. And, that all comes from beliefs
and programming.

Edward Mills: I just have a quick story to share about that.

You know; I don’t believe in coincidences, but last night the power went out, while I
was working on my computer. The power went out... and I had noticed myself
getting a little worried about whether Suzanne was going to get back to me with a
time for you and I to talk, because it had been a few days. ...the power went out and
I said, “I’m just going to go meditate. That’s a sign from the universe. I’ll just go stop
and meditate. And I got this really clear guidance; do Ho’o Pono Pono. You know,
clear that worry and just connect with Joe, on a very clear level. The power came
back on, a few hours later, and there was an email from Suzanne saying, “Hey can
you talk with Joe tomorrow at ten?”

Now coincidence...

Joe Vitale: No, not at all, because first of all; I felt your nudge. Because I was wondering when
we were going to be talking too, and that was about last night.

Then, yesterday... I also want to point out that this is the ebb and flow of my world.
...Yesterday, I was to do a Rolls Royce Mastermind last night; which is a whole
separate thing that I do. And people fly in, and they pay quite a bit of money to do
this. And the restaurant, though, that I had already booked to do this at, had
cancelled at the last minute. They had a problem. They closed their doors. They
actually just closed the restaurant. And so I was tap dancing going, “Okay, where do
I go now?” We started looking on line to find different places we might go to. It has
to have a private room, and it has to have certain things that I want for the
mastermind.

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Along the way, I got an email from a restaurant that I used to go to, but hadn’t been
to in half a year. And the email just was beginning with the phrase, “Where’s Joe?”
And when I open it up, it says “We miss him. When can he come back to the
restaurant?” And to me it was like; here is the universe telling me, “Here is the
restaurant to go to.” We went to it last night. And I told the owner; I said, “I don’t
even know why you sent the email when you did, but it was so perfectly timed.”
And she said, “When she woke up that morning she had gotten an intuitive impulse
to just, kind of ping me, and find out; where have I been. And she also had the vision
that; I was coming in that night.

Edward Mills: Wow.

Joe Vitale: So this is all connected. It is almost like the universe itself, and all of us; we’re just
big characters in a big play, and we’re all connected in some, behind the scenes, way.

The way to really make this work for ourselves better is... instead of trying to
manipulate the outside, the setting, and the other characters ...is; we go inside where
the script writer is, and we visit ourselves on this very deep level, where we’re all
connected. And on that level... You almost didn’t have to send your email last night,
because we might have... you know in a more advanced world where we all trust
each other ...you and I might have just gotten on the phone at the exact time.

Edward Mills: I’ve been joking about that with someone. “Though,” we say, “Just to be sure...”

[Laughter]

Joe Vitale: There’s nothing wrong... There’s the famous phrase, “Trust in Allah, but tend to your
camel first.”

Edward Mills: Right.

Joe Vitale: Which means; trust it’s all going to work out, but you know what? Get the phone
number, you know? It means that; you’re going to call tomorrow and be sure and
verify what time.

Edward Mills: Well, and that’s one of the themes that seems to be running through these
interviews; that abundant mystics really do trust. And they do have a really strong
connection to spirit and source, but they also realize the importance of; taking care,
handling the details, and being strategic and focusing in the physical world.

Joe Vitale: Well we’re in both places. This is why years ago, I think it was in 97; I wrote a book
called, Spiritual Marketing. And, of course, that was revised, and it came out as my
best selling book; The Attractor Factor. But I still think of myself as a spiritual
marketer. I have a foot in both worlds, and both worlds means this world.

When we look outside; we see this material. And if you just focus on the material,
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spiritual or the metaphysical is on the inside of that material. I say, there’s two sides
of the same coin. If you look at one side; it doesn’t dismiss the other side, it just
means you focused on one side. You can’t focus on just the material, and you can’t
focus on just the spiritual. We are here as physical beings having this experience,
but we are spiritual things in a physical world. So we can’t eliminate one or the
other in order to have the best time and the best result. And to be this abundant
mystic; then we have to realize that, we are both. That’s when the magic happens.

And I do find that when people trust, when they let go, when they realize that; the
abundance is already here. When they’re not desperate, or needy, or addicted, or
attached to end results; that’s when the magic of miracles happen.

I think it was in, The Attractor Factor... that might be in my new book; Attract Money
Now, where I say that; you can have virtually anything you want, as long as you
don’t need it. Need starts to engage a desperate mindset. And you start to look at
the physical world as the only aspect that is for you, to survive with, and you forget
that you are a spiritual being in a physical body. You’re a spiritual force in a
material world. But, you have to have both of these. You can’t focus on just one or
just the other. If you only focused on the spiritual, you might not do very well in the
physical world. That’s why many people who say, “I’m a spiritual person, and I
meditate all day, but I’m broke, and I can’t pay the rent, and I have no clients, and I
can’t afford lunch today.” Well they focused on the spiritual, and they forgot that
they’re in a material world. Or the people who focused on the material or the
physical, and forgot that they’re spiritual. These people end up being unhappy,
miserable, Type A personalities. They end up getting sick. They have heart attacks
or some sort of disease. Or they just kind of bounced through life with bloody faces
and bruises, because they haven’t found how to go with the flow. There’s no level of
bliss or gratitude, or happiness within them, because they only focused on the outer.
When you do both of these... I love the phrase, “The Abundant Mystic.” ...that’s when
you become abundance personified. You are actually living this mystical experience
in a material world.

I was going to write a book once called; Mystic in the Marketplace.

Edward Mills: I love that.

Joe Vitale: And it’s the very same concept. It’s about being able to go through life, going
through the world, making money, spending money, doing your business following
your passion, but doing it with a sense of detachment, because you realize it’s only a
spiritual theatrical play. I’m just here to experience the divine ebb and flow, and
have fun with it. When you get hung up on it; and you have a little problem; that’s
when you focus too much on the concrete side of it – the physical side.

Edward Mills: So that leads, nicely, into a question, and sort of a trigger point, that I’ve seen, in
many modern day mystics. When they watched the movie; The Secret, that you

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were in... And I mean, first of all; a lot of them say that The Secret is just focused on
material stuff, and it’s, you know, about getting more and more stuff. Then there’s,
actually, a line that you say, that seems to specifically trigger a lot of people. I forget
the exact words, but it was along the lines of, “The universe is your catalogue. You
get to just pick and choose and get whatever you want.” And I’ve heard people say,
“Well if everyone gets everything they want then, you know, we’re going to destroy
the earth and...”

[Laughter]

Edward Mills: I’d just like to hear your take on that.

Joe Vitale: Well thank you for the opportunity, because I could almost get on a soap box and
rant and rave about this for a minute.

Well first of all; I want to defend the movie. It’s like so many people are out there
starving. They can’t manifest their own lunch, and here comes a movie out, that
shows you how to manifest whatever you want. And people complain about it. And
it’s like, “Come on. This is helping you attract what you want.” You don’t have to go
and attract mansions, or a line of jewelry, or you know five thousand pairs of shoes.
What this is about is; learning to attract what you want, that is in alignment with
your own divine calling.

For some people, what they want to attract, is a cure for cancer. For other people;
they want to attract some sort of remedy for the people in Haiti and the earthquake.
And for somebody else; they might want to attract a big mansion. Well Godspeed to
them.

My answer, that was in the movie... that actually stemmed from a behind the scenes
conversation. I was all done with my filming for the movie; The Secret, and I looked
around the room and I said, “Well are there any other questions?” And there was a
technician, who had been running a camera, and he just on his own, “he said “Well I
have a question.” And he said, “If we all go for what we want; won’t we just run out
of things?” And I said, “Oh, turn the camera back on.” And he turned the camera
back on. That’s when I said, “The universe is like a catalogue. It is abundant.” That’s
the first line. The second thing is: “We’re not all going to go for the same things. We
don’t all want BMW’s. We don’t all want Mercedes cars. We don’t all want Rolex
watches. We don’t all want the same pair of shoes. We all want something unique
to us. And when you go through what you need for you, and I go for what I need for
me, because the universe is abundant; that will be supplied easily. And then there’s
going to be a checking and balancing system, with the universe itself, that we’re not
going to run out of resources.”

I mean, I grew up in the period where the seventies; we ran out of gas. And we had
to alternate where we were going to go and get the gas in our cars. And even license
plate numbers could do it one day, and odd number license plate numbers can do it

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another. It looked like we were going to be out of gas in ten years. That was in the
seventies. Technology got improved, and we found more gas. We didn’t have
another problem until more recently; when we started worrying about gas prices
again.

Well that’ll get resolved. There are companies making things like... one of the cars
I’m going to be buying is a hydrogen gas hybrid. Because of the need for it, out
there, the universe is supplying us with new ideas, and enterprising people are
jumping on those ideas. So we’re going to have a hybrid car coming out, and not just
a batteried car, but a hydrogen car.

These are examples of how the universe solves its own problems, when we get out
of the way and just follow our intuitive nudges. So for me, yes; the universe is a
catalog, and no; we’re not all going to go for the same thing. And please, let’s
celebrate the idea that we are able to attract what we want.

To me, it’s so amazing that when people don’t have money, they start putting down
people who do. But yet, when those people do start to acquire money, in their lives,
as long as they’re in alignment with deserving this; they can hold onto it, and now
it’s okay to have money. And they keep flip flopping between - it’s okay to have
money – it’s not okay to have money – it’s okay to attract things – it’s not okay to
attract things.

I wrote a blog post recently where the question, I think at the top was; when is
money bad? At one point; does it become bad? At a certain point, you allow so
much money to come in... and I’ll just make up a figure ...maybe it’s fifty thousand
dollars a year, for one person. Is it bad if they suddenly make one hundred thousand
dollars a year? Depending on their belief system; they can judge it as bad, and
they’ll scramble to get rid of it. But money in and of itself is not bad. It’s paper and
coin. In fact it’s meaningless until you project meaning onto it. You know, and I’m in
the USA, and I can look at the dollar bill and go, “That’s really cool,” and, “I like
having hundred dollar bills.” But then; I go to Russia, and I look at their money, and
that looks like monopoly money. And I’ll go to Poland, and I’ll look at their money,
and it looks like play money. And I’ll go to Italy, and I’ll look at their money. And it’s
like, what is real? Which money is, actually real? None of it is, actually real, unless
we’ve given meaning to it.

So my whole rant here is; for people to just kind of pause and ask themselves; what
do I believe about what I can attract in the world? What do I believe about the
abundance of the universe? What do I believe about what I deserve in my life?
What do I believe about money? Because, we are in a belief driven universe, your
beliefs are causing you to create the universe you’re looking at.

Edward Mills: When you didn’t have a lot of money; were there times when you found yourself,
either, feeling resentful or irritated, about people who did have money?

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Joe Vitale: Absolutely! Absolutely! I was so mad at them. I was so jealous of them. I was so
disturbed by them.

And you know in my latest book; Attract Money Now, I dedicated it to a man named
Bobby Birdsall. I don’t explain who he is, in the dedication or in the book, but I’m
going to say it right now, because it is relevant. Bobby Birdsall was probably the first
prosperity teacher I ever heard. And I was back in Houston. I would save a little bit
of money, most of which I’d spend on books or on CDs. And I finally went to a
prosperity course. And it was taught by; Bobby Birdsall. There were a couple of life
changing things he said in there. And one was: When you see a person driving down
the road in a luxury car, you look at them and say, “Godspeed to you.” You look at
them and you say, “Bless you.” You look at them and instead of feeling envious - you
feel inspired.

And it took me a while to make the mental shift. But, he said, “That as long as you’re
looking at them and condemning them, you are condemning yourself. You are
condemning money. You are coming from judgment. You are closing off your
energy. You are actually hurting your own body-mind system. You are ruining your
health. You are just plain unhappy.” And so I would remember starting to look at
the Mercedes that was driving by and going, “Wow, I don’t know how that person
did it, but Godspeed to them. God bless them, and I hope to join them, on whatever
ranks they’re on, some day in the future.”

So yes! I did go through a long period, where I thought money was despicable and
very rich people were evil or bad. But, those thoughts all stem from programming.
They stem from beliefs; some of which I talk about in; Attract Money Now.

One of the most insidious beliefs that are out there is that; money is the root of all
evil. And George Bernard Shaw said, “It’s the lack of money. That is the root of all
evil.” And I go on to explore it further, and I just discover that the very wealthy
people of the world, the happy, healthy, the abundant mystics of the world; have a
healthy relationship with money. They don’t see money as what they love. Money is
a tool to help them do what they’re here to do, which is do what they love. Money
enables them to have time. Money enables them to have freedom. So they actually
don’t love money, they appreciate money. They use money. But what they love is
being an abundant mystic; to allow themselves to fulfill their calling here on the
planet.

And it took me a while to get to that mindset. But fortunately, today, because of
things like this very interview, and what you’re doing with other people; people can
speed up this process and get to a healthy mindset that; you are an abundant
universe. You are an abundant mystic. And, that you can have this wonderful life
when you just let go of the resentment, the judgment, the negativity, and forgive
yourself and everybody else.

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Edward Mills: It feels like the Ho’o Pono Pono technique would be really powerful, in that moment,
when you feel resentment about someone who has more money than you.

Joe Vitale: It is the number one technique I use, on a round the clock basis, ever since I’ve
discovered it, a few years ago. And I wrote the book, with Doctor Hew Len, on Zero
Limits. And, of course, we’ve done several seminars together. So I know; it’s
become more of a second nature. It’s the background tape in my mind: I love you.
I’m sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you. So I’m always doing that.

But I would agree that; if you look at somebody that is exceedingly wealthy, and it
pushes your button; you have to realize it had nothing to do with that person. The
button is in you. And what you’re doing is looking inside your self and saying,
“Okay, I don’t know where the programming came from, but I’m sorry. Please
forgive me for allowing it to be established inside myself. Let’s remove it now. And
thank you, universe, for clearing it out of me.” And, “I love you,” is a great phrase to
end with, because it’s putting you back into the flow of the universe - of the divine -
which is basically love. If there’s any word to describe it; the closest I can come up
with is love. So I love you. I’m sorry. Please forgive me. You can cycle - recycle
those. Go through those in any particular order. Or even just say one of the
statements. If you just walked around saying, “I love you,” in your mind, all of the
time; you’re going to change your energy field. And if you look at somebody that is
wealthy and they’re driving off in a one million dollar car... which exists, there’s
many cars that are over a million dollars ...when you see somebody drive off in one
of those, say, “I love you. I love you. I love you.” And really start to feel it. It’ll
transform you.

Edward Mills: Well and one of the things that I love about the Ho’o Pono Pono technique is; it takes
you out of your mind. It get’s you out of the space where you’re trying to figure it
out, which is where, I think, so many modern day mystics get stuck trying to figure
out; why do I have this belief? Where did it come from?

Joe Vitale: Yeah.

When you say those statements; none of that matters. You’re just clearing it.

Doctor Hew Len is really great at repeatedly pointing out; you cannot figure it out.
Your conscious mind is like one percent of what is operating in your world. It is the
vast unconscious mind. And probably from a union’s perspective, it’s attached to
the collective unconscious. And that’s what’s pushing the buttons, and running us as
puppets.

So, you’re sitting there trying to figure it out. You will never get a clue on how the
whole system works, because your pip-squeak little conscious mind can’t control, let
alone understand, all of the different strings that are being pushed and pulled and
activated, at any point. You really do have to surrender. But what do you surrender
to? Well that’s when you surrender to; what you’re calling the abundant mystic. It’s

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that behind the scenes... what we began by talking about at the very beginning of
this call ...that underlying energy – that underlying source – the underlying power –
the underlying state of love. That’s where you want to go to, and that’s where you
want to come from. And repeating the phrases, in many ways, just gives your
conscious mind something to do; so that you can start to – rejoin – remerge -
reconnect with that force, the source; which is love.

Edward Mills: Do you think that you’re in a point in your life, now, where if something happened
and everything was taken away from you; you would still be able to connect into
that first definition - the first level of abundance, that you talked about that; we are
in an abundant universe?

Joe Vitale: I love the question. You know I don’t honestly know. I would hope that I can do
that, relatively quickly. In my imagination, I think and feel and possibly even a little
bit fear that; I would probably have to recoil and recover. I’d probably have to go
through a little bit of a period of like, “What just happened?” You know, if I really
did lose everything and was standing there and had to recreate my life. I know I
would recreate my life. I am not worried about that part at all. I know with what I
know now, what’s in my books, everything that I’ve learned over the last few
decades; I’d recreate it very quickly and very beautifully. But, would I so easily go
into a state of gratitude, and a state of abundance? I don’t think I would
immediately. I think I’d be pausing. I’d probably be a little shocked. And I’d look
around and I’d go, “Okay, how did I attract it?” What was in me that did this? What
needed purged? I’d do my best to learn the lesson, because in my book; The
Attractor Factor, I say, “Once you get the lesson, you no longer need the experience.”
So, I would look for the lesson and as soon as I got it; I would hope that I would get
there pretty quick. I would hope that I would.

Edward Mills: Great. Thank you for that honest answer. I appreciate that.

I’d love to talk about inspired action. Because, I’ve heard you speak about that
before. And it’s such a key concept, as people move toward abundance. And you
know, it’s a concept in the Law of Attraction; that we need to be taking inspired
action. And yet, at times, it seems like to get to where we want; we have to do things
that maybe don’t seem or feel so inspired. You know, we have to take care of the
drudgery tasks as well. So what do you say to people that say, “Well I’m just going to
do things that feel inspired?”

Joe Vitale: Well I’ve got at least two approaches to that: First of all; you can always find people
to do what you don’t like to do. Find the people who think it’s inspired and loving to
do taxes, for example, because, I don’t like doing taxes. For the longest time, I did do
them. I didn’t do them well, and I was using up all of my energy and time until I
realized that; here’s the lone ranger approach again. I’ve got to go and surrender
that and find somebody who loves doing it. When I delegated that task to somebody
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taxes; I freed my energy. And as I’ve told the story many times, my income
multiplied almost five times when I did that.

Edward Mills: Wow.

Joe Vitale: Why? Because, I just freed up my time, and my energy, and my passion, and my
love, to do what I was good at doing. So what I tell people is; if you don’t want to do
something that needs to get done, find somebody who loves to do it. Now at the
same time; if it’s something that you must do yourself... and I don’t even know what
that might be, maybe an exercise, and you can’t really delegate that, you have to go
to the gym yourself. And what I would say there is; you have to turn your mind
around about what you’re doing. You have to find that gratitude, in the activity
itself. So if there is some sort of work you have to do; I say look for the way to enjoy
it. Find a way to love it. Find a way to appreciate it. Because, that’ll transform what
you’re doing and make it more of an inspired activity. I would say, just open
yourself to it, because if you’re not enjoying it; you’re judging it in some way. And if
it’s in your life, and you’re judging it negatively... part of the lesson is to learn to
judge everything in a positive loving way.

I’m a big fan of Will Bowen who wrote the book; A Complaint Free Universe, and A
Complaint Free World, and the new one is; Complaint Free Relationships.

Both well worth reading, especially for abundant mystics. And I would say that
what he’s pointing out is that; instead of complaining about what you have to do,
find a way to appreciate it, that’s already there; then find a way to state what you
want, because, most of us complain rather than pausing, and then reformatting, and
reframing the very complaint into a statement of intent.

So those are a couple of things; delegate or find a way to appreciate.

Edward Mills: And then, the other side of that coin is for people who have an over abundance of
inspired ideas. I mean, here’s someone who...

Joe Vitale: Yeah.

Edward Mills: ...who’s very creative. How do you, you know, how do you stay focused long enough
on an inspired idea to bring it through to fruition?

Joe Vitale: It’s actually easier than what the question suggests, because what most people do is
talk themselves out of their inspiration. What I do... I’ve learned to do anyways ...
that when the inspiration is here, when an idea comes to me, I first of all
acknowledge it as a gift. I did not create the idea. It came to me. It came through
me. It came from that lower level, or higher level, depending on how you look at
this. It came from the source. It came from the divine. So the first thing I do is go,
“Oh my God, I was just given this million dollar gift.” I don’t know if it’s going to be a
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start work on it right then and there. Why? Because first of all; I’m sending a signal
to the universe; “I appreciate you. I acknowledge you. And I want ideas like this,
and more of them. I’m going to be a willing recipient. So keep those coming.”

The second is... do you ever notice that when you get a really exciting idea, that
there’s a whole lot of energy that comes with it?

Edward Mills: Um hum.

Joe Vitale: Well I ride that energy to create the idea in material form. So, in other words, if
there is an idea for a book, for example; I will virtually write as much as I can, almost
in one sitting, knowing I can’t write the whole book in one sitting. But, I’m going to
do my best to get as much done as possible, because the energy that came with the
idea is energy that will help me fulfill the idea.

Too many people will talk themselves out of the idea. I don’t have the time. I don’t
have the money. I don’t have the skills. I don’t have the experience. I’ll do it later.
They’ll schedule it for next week, for next month, next year. More often than not,
whenever they get to the idea, if they do... because very often; it’s going to be gone.
But, when they get to the idea, the energy for it isn’t there. It’s still a good idea, but
now they have to drum up the energy within them, to actually act on it. So, one of
my big secrets, to being so prolific and productive, is the idea that comes, “Thank
you, God. I acknowledge it. It is a gift,” and I start working on it.”

Now at the same time, you made the comment about; what if you have an
abundance of ideas? I have, very often, been in the situation where there’s been like
fifteen different things, and they’re all good ideas. They’re all on my list. And, what
do you do first?

Edward Mills: Yeah.

Joe Vitale: Well the idea that has the most energy on it; is the one that I’m going to do first; the
one that feels the most exciting. One of my advanced tricks is; I will work on it until
I start to feel like, okay the energy is buzzing off a little bit now, it’s starting to taper.
And I’ll look at the next idea on the list. And I might go and run with that one for a
while, knowing that while I’m working on the next idea, a part of me is still working
on the one I started. I’ll go back to it the next day, the next week, whatever; and my
unconscious mind might have been developing it, a little bit more. So, I’ll juggle
through a couple good ideas in an attempt to get them done. But more often than
not, my secret to success is; to take action on the idea when it comes. Do my best to
get it done, and do my best to get it out into the world, and let the world judge it.
Don’t let me judge it.

Edward Mills: So, then what about for people who have inspired ideas, and they may take the first
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going to work,” and it drains the energy? What would you suggest to help them find
the energy, or at least take the actions to complete that?

Joe Vitale: Yes. They have to become aware of their thoughts. There’s a friend of mine, Mindy
Audlin, and she’s been teaching; What If Up Thinking, for a while. And What If Up
Thinking is really brilliant. It’s very eye opening, because most of us come from;
What If Down Thinking. And what both of these mean is; first of all when you have
an idea and you say, “Oh I’m not the one for it,” and then the little voice starts talking
to us and talking ourselves out of it That’s; What If Down Thinking. It means; what
if it doesn’t work out. You know, “What if this is a bad idea? What if I’m going to be
wasting my time? What if I do this, and I don’t make any money?” Well that just
feels like crap when you say those things to yourself. Your energy drops. You don’t
feel like an abundant mystic like that. You feel like a broke mystic, at that point.
And so be aware of the; What if Down Thinking and turn it around. That’s just a
voice you’ve been learning to listen to. You’re in charge of the voices. Turn it
around and fill it with; What if Up Thinking. And go, “What if it works out? What if
this is a great idea? What if this is the idea that transforms my life? What if it’s the
idea that makes millions of dollars for me? What if this is the idea that ends up
being the cure for cancer, or the cure for the earthquake victims, or the cure for
whatever it happens to be?” Well when you ask; What If Down Thinking, you lose all
of your energy. When you ask; What If Up Thinking, you get more energy. So
become aware of your thought process and focus on the thoughts that are going to
take you up into action. That’s the big step.

Edward Mills: I love that.

And you could again, as you mentioned in the beginning; you could just feel your
energy shift.

Joe Vitale: Yeah, I feel it.

Edward Mills: Yeah.

Joe Vitale: And you feel it yourself; if you just start doing it for a few minutes either way. Play
with; The What If Down. Play with; The What If Up. You’re going to know which
one feels better, and which one’s going to lead to action, and which ones going to
lead to watching TV and eating nachos.

Edward Mills: Other than the gratitude practice, do you have a specific that you do on a daily basis,
related to abundance?

Joe Vitale: I do my best to surround myself with a mastermind support team. So I will share
ideas with people I know are not going to dismiss them or critique them, but will
help me build on them. I think having a coach, a support team, a mastermind group;
these are all elements of advanced success. You can certainly succeed being an
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start sharing with a support team... I mean you can do it by email. You can do it
over the web. You can do it over the phone. You can do it in person. That’s when
you start to see dramatic change. So I have that in my life. You know, I’ll share with
people by email. Sometimes I’ll meet with people in different locations. Sometimes
I’ll do it by phone. But, that’s one of mine.

Then, of course, I’m still reading. I still listen to the positive audio material. You
know I’ve gone from being a guy who listened to Nightingale Conant years ago, to
being a guy with four programs with them, including their number one bestseller;
The secret to Attracting Money. And I say this, as all evidence; that if you keep doing
all of this; you’ll keep achieving results that will just dazzle you, as you keep moving
forward.

So, I do all of that including writing down intentions. I’ll play with possibilities.
What would I love to have just show up in my life with no addiction, no attachment?
It just would be a playful thing to experience. And allowing that to be in my world,
allows me to actually place the order with the universe, and some day down the
road it’ll show up.

Edward Mills: Do you set specific intentions and goals, monetarily? Do you have financial goals
that you set?

Joe Vitale: I do. I’ve learned to do it with a sense of detachment. When I have set goals for how
much I want to make per month, how much I want my company to bring in per
month, for example, then I just let go of it. So I put it out there for me and my
unconscious mind to hear, but I put it out there for the universe to hear. I think that
is what an abundant mystic is doing; you’re communicating and being the universe,
at the same time.

So, I’m doing that, but I’m doing my best not to be hung up on how it will happen.
Because, it’s real easy to go, “Well how in the world am I going to do that?” Or, “Who
has done that before?” And then you try to copy them. It’s much far wiser for me to
state the intention to the universe, and let go of it. Then when I’m inspired; an idea
comes to me in a dream, or in a conversation, or in the hot tub; I know write it down,
give thanks for it, and take action for it. That could be the step that, either, attracts
it, or a step that leads to the next step that can manifest it.

Edward Mills: Do you think it’s important to set specific financial goals? Or do you think, for some
people, setting more specific outcomes that relate to a project, or something they
want to achieve in their life, might make more sense?

Joe Vitale: It’s actually more powerful, if you focus on the outcome that you would want.
Money usually is just a means to an end. And even, when I say I set financial goals;
it’s more of a fun thing. It’s like, “Oh I’d love to be able to hit that, and then say,
“Well I made this much money and these millions of dollars in a particular month.”
That’s more of a fun thing.

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What excites me even more, which has more power, which I think would be more
useful to people is; what would you do with the money? You know, what would you
buy? What would you experience? Where would you go? How much would you
donate? What would you do with the money, to disperse it to the world? Find what
excites you there. That outcome can propel you to attract the money that you need
to make the outcome happen.

So when I say that I put financial goals up there, yeah that is. But, that’s no where
near as powerful as putting a picture of a... in my case I love to attract nice cars ...but
a particular car that I might want to attract, or I have a movement to end
homelessness, and I want to attract a lot of people to help me with this. I want to go
on national TV explaining how to end homelessness, virtually, in one day. Those are
outcomes that excite me far more than a check.

Edward Mills: And what about... every one of the abundant mystics, that I’ve spoke to, the faculty
members, is providing a huge amount of value to the world. Do you think it’s
important to be clear and set intentions, about how many people you’re going to
reach, or how much value you’re going to offer and bring into the world?

Joe Vitale: Well I don’t want to put limits on it. And I think that’s part of the problems, with
most peoples intention, is that actually limits what’s possible for them. So I like
what Jerry and Esther Hicks say - with the Abraham folks - you know, they just want
to reach the people who are open to receiving their message.

Edward Mills: Um hum.

Joe Vitale: That can end up being the entire planet.

Edward Mills: Right.

Joe Vitale: It doesn’t say, “I want to reach five million people,” which ends up sounding like a
lot, but it’s actually a limitation when there’s billions on the planet. So, I’d rather
come from, “I want to fulfill my divine calling on the planet, and I want to reach the
people who want to hear my message, and I don’t want to put a limitation on it by
saying it has to be certain millions.” I want to reach the people, who really want to
hear the message and that may end up being, you know, thousands, or it could be
millions, or it could be billions. I don’t honestly know.

Edward Mills: Right. Wow.

Well, Joseph we’re reaching the top of the hour, and I’m sure that you have... You’ve
mentioned some of your books, but I’m sure that you have some programs, out
there, that might be of benefit... not might be would be of benefit. Is there something
you want to mention?

Joe Vitale: Well the number one thing is: Miracles Coaching. I started a coaching program four
years ago, because I realized that if you’re really going to have permanent change

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and accelerated results, you’re going to need a coach; somebody that can help you
get out of your own belief system. Because, if you keep on doing what you’re doing,
and thinking what you’re thinking; you’re going to keep on getting the same results.
And even with reading and audios; you’ll make strides in a new direction, but my
experience has been, for the most part, they’re baby steps compared to when you
have a coach. So I have a Miracles Coaching program. I would invite people to go to;
www.miraclescoaching.com, and just check it out. And talk to somebody that’s a rep
for it - that you’ll get a connection from, when you go to; miraclescoaching.com.

And then of course my book: Attract Money Now. It’s free please go to;
www.attractmoneynow.com and read it. And if you prefer audio, my program; The
Secret to Attracting Money, has been getting rave reviews, and just changing lives,
because it’s so interactive. There’re CD’s, DVD, and guidebook. It’s a complete
program for understanding your beliefs, about money. And just go to;
www.secrettoattractingmoney.com.

And I can probably go on. If somebody just wants to check me out they can go to my
main website which is www.mrfire.com.

Edward Mills: Thank you, Joe. Is there one message that you would leave, you know, for modern
day mystics struggling financially? Is there just one message that you would leave
them with?

Joe Vitale: Follow your passion and be fearless. Those two things, even though I said them in
one statement, are probably the combination lock that will free you to be the
abundant mystic. If you follow your passion; you’re going to find your road through
life. You’re going to find the high road that’s spiritually directed for you. And when
you act fearlessly, meaning; don’t judge yourself, don’t stop yourself, don’t second
guess yourself, don’t listen to the; What If Down thinking, but act from a fearless
place, that you’re trusting; it’s going to work out here. Trusting you’re on the right
path. That’s when the things begin to unfold. So follow your passion with a
fearlessness, and watch the magic and miracles occur.

Edward Mills: I love that.

Well Joe, thank you so much. This has been such a pleasure to talk with you, today.

Joe Vitale: Oh. Thank you. You are doing wonderful work, and I’m very glad to be part of this.

Godspeed to everybody listening! Expect miracles!

And Edward, you’re doing fantastic!

Thanks.

Edward Mills: Thank you, Joe.

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