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The document discusses v-port ball valves and their design. The original poster asks about the geometrical parameters that affect the design of a v-port ball valve and which international standards are followed. Responses provide some parameters like v-angle and explain that the exact design is proprietary. Standards like API, ASME, and ISO apply but don't specify the ball design. The discussion continues with applications of v-port valves and discovering that segmented ball valves can also have a v-notch design.

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Control Valve Eng. Tips

The document discusses v-port ball valves and their design. The original poster asks about the geometrical parameters that affect the design of a v-port ball valve and which international standards are followed. Responses provide some parameters like v-angle and explain that the exact design is proprietary. Standards like API, ASME, and ISO apply but don't specify the ball design. The discussion continues with applications of v-port valves and discovering that segmented ball valves can also have a v-notch design.

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prasadr (Mechanical)

(OP)
21 Feb 19 11:53
Hi All,

I am new in the valve industry. I am trying to understand ball valves and their application fields. From the
study I have done so far, I came to know that for flow regulation applications, v-port/v-notch ball valve is
used. I tried searching online about the design procedure of v-port ball valve but I did not find anything.
So, my question is how to design a v-port or v-notch ball valve? What are the geometrical parameters which
affect the design of the v-port ball? What international standards documents are followed for the designing
process? Can you please tell me the name of those documents?

Thanks
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LittleInch (Petroleum)21 Feb 19 13:33


Design procedure?? You would need to work for a valve manufacturerer to know that

Have you tried searching "V notch ball valve design" ?? plenty things out there

Geometrical parameters - have a look here https://resources.bray.com/en/sales-brochures-engl...

International standards - none I'm aware of

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prasadr (Mechanical)
(OP)
21 Feb 19 14:15
Thank you LittleInch. I just read your reply. I sincerely apologize for the delay in response. Yes, I have
searched for "V notch ball valve design" and I found various brochures. I know there are v-notch ball valves
with different v-angle like 15,30,60,90 degrees. What I don't understand is what changes in the design of v-
notch ball valve results in different flow amount and flow characteristics. So that's why I asked about
geometrical parameters which affect the design in terms of flow performance. Also, I have read that there are
various standards like API, ASME for valve design. But I don't know which documents industry people follow
for designing the v-notch ball valve.

Thanks
LittleInch (Petroleum)21 Feb 19 15:33
Well that's the skill of the valve designer. essentially you have a variable sized orifice, but as it's not a circular
one but a strange shape that keeps changing you probably need to build one and test it to get the CV vs
opening. Clearly a smaller hole equals lower flow for the same percent open.

The shape of the opening will vary the CV to percent open characteristic. I think that's proprietary valve
company design stuff.

In terms of the main valve code, all is concerned the thing is a ball valve. The fact that the ball has a hole in it
is irrelevant.

So ASME B 16.34, API 6D, ISo xxxx etc will all still apply.
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gerhardl (Mechanical)21 Feb 19 17:30


Hello prasadr,

To find aabetter approach to answer your question I suggest you study the different applications and use for
v-notch ball valves. What is the demands and sought solutions for the market/users you are designing for?

As all regulating valves a correct design is depending of fluid type and flow parameters (variations in pressure,
temperature, amount, viscosity, etc.) for each application.

The flow is roughly proportional to the exposed opening if laminar flow. A long, small slit will regulate better
for smaller amounts compared to the max flow for the diameter.

The rest is adaption to the general average use for a market segment or to the exact adaption for a single
case, plus knowledge, tests and patience...
prasadr (Mechanical)
(OP)
22 Feb 19 09:18
Okay. Thank you LittleInch and gerhardl for your responses.

I will try to reach manufacturers to get the design concept of v-port as well as will try to understand market
demand.

When one knows about they should use a v-port ball valve rather than other types of control valves?

Are there any particular benefits of v-port ball valves?


LittleInch (Petroleum)22 Feb 19 09:43
I've always thought of V port valves, rightly or wrongly, as being relatively low differential pressure and where
you need to have tight shut off when closed.

They ar euseful when you only need control on certain occasions and then want as low a pressure drop as you
can when fully open. Or a controlled start over a period of time and then full flow.

They are also limited in fluids to avoid cavitation.

You'll probably find some who really like them and use them and others who hate them. I can't say how many
get used, but I would guess no more than 10-15% of the control valve market.

http://www.dwyer-inst.com/Articles/?Action=View&am...

http://www.valve-world-americas.com/webarticles/20...

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prasadr (Mechanical)
(OP)
22 Feb 19 13:58
Today, in another thread, I read about the segmented ball valve.

According to my knowledge, the segmented ball valve has no full-bodied ball. It has a half ball and it is used
for ON/OFF applications.

But in the thread which I read, people were talking about the half-ball in the valve having v-notch/v-triangular
slot on its convex side and preferred flow direction is from inside the body (against the concave inner side of
shell/ball).

I never saw in any image that segmented ball valve is having v-notch on its convex side.
So, does this kind of valve design actually exists?

And if it does exist, are industries using it for flow regulation?

Thanks
LittleInch (Petroleum)22 Feb 19 14:37
Indeed. Never seen one of these before now, but you learn something every day.

https://0c074d522cc96a09f3a6-cd6844ebeaebf35ce7608...

clearly some industries do - this one quotes pulp and I suppose it is a little like a knife valve in its closure
action.

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