Rodney Reed Petition For Writ of Certiorari
Rodney Reed Petition For Writ of Certiorari
Rodney Reed Petition For Writ of Certiorari
No. 19-_____
RODNEY REED,
Petitioner,
v.
Texas,
Respondent.
BARRY C. SCHECK
BRYCE BENJET
Counsel of Record CLIFF C. GARDNER
[email protected] ROBERT A. WEBER
[email protected] MICHELLE L. DAVIS
THE INNOCENCE PROJECT NICOLE A. DISALVO
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CAPITAL CASE
QUESTIONS PRESENTED
TABLE OF CONTENTS
Page
QUESTIONS PRESENTED........................................ i
CONCLUSION ......................................................... 38
viii
TABLE OF APPENDICES
Page
TABLE OF AUTHORITIES
Bagby v. Kuhlman,
932 F.2d 131 (2d Cir. 1991) ....................... 2, 26
Brady v. Maryland,
373 U.S. 83 (1963) .................................. passim
Carriger v. Stewart,
132 F.3d 463 (9th Cir. 1997) .......................... 36
Cornell v. Nix,
119 F.3d 1329 (8th Cir. 1997) ........................ 36
In re Davila,
888 F.3d 179 (5th Cir. 2018) .................... 33, 36
Duckett v. State,
918 So. 2d 224 (Fla. 2005) ............................. 28
Ex parte Elizondo,
947 S.W.2d 202 (Tex. Crim. App. 1996) ........ 36
Ex parte Reed,
2015 WL 831673 (Tex. Crim. App.
Feb. 23, 2015) ................................................. 11
Gilbert v. California,
388 U.S. 263 (1967) .......................................... 2
Gimenez v. Ochoa,
821 F.3d 1136 (9th Cir. 2016) ........................ 32
Graves v. Cockrell,
351 F.3d 143 (5th Cir. 2003) .......................... 36
Herrera v. Collins,
506 U.S. 390 (1993) .................................... 3, 36
House v. Bell,
547 U.S. 518 (2006) ........................................ 36
Klein v. Harris,
667 F.2d 274 (2d Cir. 1981) ...................... 26-27
Kyles v. Whitley,
514 U.S. 419 (1995) .................................... ii, 24
In re Lawley,
179 P.3d 891 (Cal. 2008) ................................ 37
xiii
Maryland v. Craig,
497 U.S. 836 (1990) ........................................ 26
Napue v. Illinois,
360 U.S. 264 (1959) ........................................ 30
People v. Washington,
665 N.E.2d 1330 (Ill. 1996) ............................ 37
Reed v. Thaler,
2012 WL 2254217 (W.D. Tex.
June 15, 2012) .......................................... 22, 35
State v. Beach
302 P.3d 47 (Mont. 2013) .......................... 36-37
Todaro v. Fulcomer,
944 F.2d 1079 (3d Cir. 1991) ......................... 26
Vargas v. State,
781 S.W. 2d 356 (Tex. App.-Hous. 1989),
rev’d on other grounds, Vargas v. State,
838 S.W. 2d 552 (Tex. Crim. App. 1992) ....... 28
Williams v. State,
800 S.W.2d 364
(Tex. App.-Fort Worth 1990) ......................... 27
Wright v. Quarterman,
470 F.3d 581(5th Cir. 2006) ........................... 33
AUTHORITIES
OPINIONS BELOW
STATEMENT OF JURISDICTION
CONSTITUTIONAL PROVISIONS
3
Although the jury note asked specifically about sperm in
the anal cavity, the judge read testimony about Dr. Bayado’s
examination of intact sperm on the vaginal slides. (App.-318a.)
9
4 The CCA did not discuss the first two elements of a Brady
claim: whether the information is favorable and if it was
suppressed. However, these elements were obviously met.
Fennell’s prior inconsistent statement to Davis is classic
impeachment evidence, and Davis, who was employed by the
lead investigatory agency, knew the information but did not
disclose it. See Kyles v. Whitley, 514 U.S. 419, 433, 438 (1995)
(impeachment evidence is favorable and suppression shown
when undisclosed information is known by any member of the
prosecution team).
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CONCLUSION
Respectfully submitted,
BARRY C. SCHECK
BRYCE BENJET CLIFF C. GARDNER
Counsel of Record ROBERT A. WEBER
[email protected] MICHELLE L. DAVIS
[email protected] NICOLE A. DISALVO
THE INNOCENCE PROJECT JULIANA R. VAN HOEVEN
40 Worth St., Ste. 701 SKADDEN, ARPS, SLATE,
New York, NY 10013 MEAGHER & FLOM LLP
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§ IN THE 21ST
Ex parte § DISTRICT COURT
RODNEY REED § OF
Applicant. § BASTROP COUNTY,
§ TEXAS
Forrest Sanderson
29. Applicant called Forrest Sanderson.
2.EHRR.163.
30. Sanderson testified that he was the First
Assistant at the Bastrop County Criminal
District Attorney’s Office at the time of
Applicant’s trial. 2.EHRR.163.
31. Sanderson recalled speaking with Davis only
one time about the Stites case, though he did
not recall the details of what was discussed.
2.EHRR.174-76.
32. Sanderson had no recollection of there being an
alternative timeline for Fennell’s whereabouts
on April 22, 1996. 2.EHRR.182.
Dr. Michael Baden
33. Applicant called Dr. Michael Baden. 3.EHRR.6.
34. Dr. Baden testified that he has been a forensic
pathologist for the last fifty years. 3.EHRR.10.
35. Dr. Baden opined that Stites was dead before
midnight on April 22, 1996; that there is no
evidence from the autopsy or photos of Stites
that she was sexually assaulted; and that
Stites was dead in Fennell’s truck for at least
four to five hours before being left at the
location where she was found. 3.EHRR.22-23,
34-77.
36. Dr. Baden admitted that “[a]utopsies can be
done by competent people who have different
opinions, or scenes can be looked at and have
difference of opinions, sure.” 3.EHRR.67.
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Doug Shaver
Presiding Judge
21st District Court
Bastrop County, Texas
Sitting by Assignment
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ORDER
These are subsequent applications for writs of
habeas corpus filed pursuant to the provisions of
Texas Code of Criminal Procedure Article 11.071 § 5.
In May 1998, a jury convicted applicant of the
offense of capital murder. The jury answered the
special issues submitted pursuant to Texas Code of
Criminal Procedure Article 37.071, and the trial
court, accordingly, set applicant’s punishment at
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NO. 73,135
v.
ON DIRECT APPEAL
FROM BASTROP COUNTY
OPINION
Appellant was convicted of capital murder in May
1998. TEX. PEN. CODE §19.03(a). Pursuant to the
jury’s answers to the special issues set forth in TEX.
CODE CRIM. PROC. art. 37.071, §§2(b) and 2(e), the
trial judge sentenced appellant to death. Art. 37.071
§2(g).1 Direct appeal to this Court is automatic. Art.
37.071 §2(h). Appellant raises eight points of error
including a challenge to the factual sufficiency of the
evidence to support the verdict. We will affirm.
STATEMENT OF FACTS
Around 3:00 on the morning of April 23, 1996,
Stacey Lee Stites left the upstairs apartment in
Giddings that she shared with her fiancé, Jimmy
Fennell, to go to her job at an H.E.B. store
approximately thirty miles away in Bastrop. Stites
frequently worked the early morning shift with
Andrew Cardenas and was considered a punctual
employee. Stites would typically arrive before or just
about the same time as Cardenas, and their normal
routine was to walk into the store together. If one
arrived before the other, the early person would wait
in his or her vehicle for the other.
Cardenas was surprised when Stites did not
promptly arrive at work on this particular morning.
Although he waited outside for a short time,
Cardenas went inside in time to begin his shift. As
the morning wore on, Cardenas became increasingly
concerned about Stites. Finally, sometime between
2 Stites did not own a car and drove Fennell’s red S-10
Chevrolet pickup truck to work.
3 Alexander did not touch or otherwise move the piece of
belt.
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to go to work.
9 Fennell’s truck was found next to the same railroad tracks
in an area located only six-tenths of a mile from appellant’s
residence.
10 The database sample came from a previous allegation of
person could have committed this crime, but he does not argue
that evidence under this point. Our review of that evidence does
not change our resolution of the issue.
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15 The state’s two stated goals were to select jurors who (1)
felt comfortable working within the Texas system in which the
death penalty is an option, and (2) had at least some
(cont’d)
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(cont’d from previous page)
rudimentary knowledge of the world around them, specifically
regarding the realm of scientific evidence.
16 During voir dire, Scroggins stated that he would vote
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Johnson, J.
NO. AP-75,693
OPINION
Rodney Reed was convicted and sentenced to
death for the murder of Stacey Lee Stites. In this
second subsequent application for a writ of habeas
corpus, Reed has failed to prove that the State
suppressed evidence in violation of Brady v.
Maryland. Reed has also failed to meet the requisite,
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b. Blackwell
When testifying, Blackwell reiterated and
added to the statements made in her [724] affidavit.
Blackwell stated that class was seated alphabetically
in the academy and that she was seated near Angela
Allred, Larry Franklin, and Fennell. When Blackwell
was rewriting her notes in the classroom during a
break, Fennell was standing up in the back of the
room talking with the cadet who sat to his right.
Blackwell overheard Fennell tell the cadet seated to
his right that he would strangle his girlfriend if he
discovered that she was cheating on him. Blackwell,
who was seated at the table in front of Fennell, then
looked over her shoulder and said, “Well, if you do
that they'll find your fingerprints all over her throat.”
Fennell responded to Blackwell, telling her that he
would use a belt. Blackwell found Fennell “to be
extremely offensive when it came to his attitude
towards wom[e]n in particular, not only women in
police work but wom[e]n in general.” She also “found
him to be conceited, arrogant, and that he regarded
himself as a police officer having power over others in
a way that police officers should not have power.”
Recalling the incident in the parking lot in which
Fennell directed her to stop talking to Stacey,
Blackwell testified that when Fennell got into the
truck with Stacey, she could tell from his facial
expressions that he was yelling at her.
When Stacey was murdered, Blackwell was
working as a Deputy Constable for Rocky Madrono in
Travis County. The Bastrop County Sheriff's
Department called Madrono's office and requested
help with the escort for Stacey's funeral. This was the
first time that Blackwell had learned about Stacey's
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IV. Analysis
A. Reed's Brady Claims that Satisfied Article
11.071, Section 5(a)(1)
1. The Standard
To protect a criminal defendant's right to a fair
trial, the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth
Amendment to the United States Constitution
requires the prosecution to disclose exculpatory and
impeachment evidence to the defense that is material
to either guilt or punishment.12 This rule of law
originated in 1963 in Brady v. Maryland and has
been clarified and further refined in its progeny.
Applying the rule in 1995, the Supreme Court, in
Kyles v. Whitley, held that the rule encompasses
evidence unknown to the prosecution but known to
law-enforcement officials and others working on their
behalf.13
Under its present incarnation, to succeed in
showing a Brady violation, an individual must show
that (1) the evidence is favorable to the accused
because it is exculpatory or impeaching; (2) the
evidence was suppressed by the government [727] or
persons acting on the government's behalf, either
inadvertently or willfully; and (3) the suppression of
the evidence resulted in prejudice (i.e., materiality).14
Evidence is material to guilt or punishment “only if
21 Id.
22 Ex parte Adams, 768 S.W.2d at 288 (citing Ex parte
Davila, 530 S.W.2d 543, 544 (Tex. Crim. App. 1975); Ex parte
Bagley, 509 S.W.2d 332, 335 (Tex. Crim. App. 1974); Ex parte
Williams, 486 S.W.2d 566, 568 (Tex. Crim. App. 1972)). See e.g.,
Ex parte White, 160 S.W.3d 46, 51-55 (Tex. Crim. App. 2004).
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2. Discussion
Relevant to Reed's allegation that the State
suppressed information concerning Barnett's sighting
of Stacey and Fennell, the trial judge found:
Stephen Keng testified that, at some point
after speaking with Barnett, he told Bastrop
County District Attorney, Charles Penick that
he had a client who claimed to have seen
[Stacey] with Fennell on the morning that she
disappeared. According to Keng, this
conversation took place sometime in February
or March of 1998, on the second floor of the
Bastrop County Courthouse, before Reed's
trial began. Keng testified that, in response,
Penick laughed and told him ‘that he had all
[t]he evidence he needed, and he just didn't
want to hear about it.’
Charles Penick testified that he recalled
having a conversation with Keng, during
which Keng told him that he had a client that
knew something about the Reed case. Penick
recalled that this conversation with Keng took
place about four years after the trial in the law
enforcement center during a docket call.
Penick stated that he thought Keng was
joking and ‘didn't take him seriously.’ Penick
testified that he told Keng that he had enough
evidence against Reed and ‘didn't need to hear
that....’ Penick testified that Keng did not
approach him with information regarding
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33 Id. at 539.
34 See Jay Nelson, Note, Facing up to Wrongful
Convictions: Broadly Defining “New” Evidence at the Actual
Innocence Gateway, 59 Hastings L.J. 711, 718-20 (2008)
(surveying approaches adopted by federal circuit courts in
defining new evidence under Schlup standard).
35 Compare with Ex parte Brown, 205 S.W.3d 538, 545-46
(Tex. Crim. App. 2006) (discussing what constitutes new
evidence for purposes of a substantive claim of innocence under
Ex parte Elizondo ).
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was not home. The police walked into the house when
Jennifer's kids did not answer the door. Jennifer's
mother-in-law, who lived across the street from
Jennifer and Paul, saw the police arrive. She went to
Jennifer and Paul's house and confronted the police
about their entry into the house. Jennifer's mother-
in-law told Jennifer that the police threatened to call
Child Protective Services because the kids were home
alone. After Jennifer's mother-in-law explained that
she was watching the children until Jennifer
returned home, the police left, stating that they
would come back later.
When the police returned later that day and
spoke to Jennifer, they asked her about the car she
saw on the 23rd. Aware that she was lying, Jennifer
told the officers that she did not know anything.
Jennifer did not want to be involved in a criminal
investigation, did not trust the police, and was angry
at the police for entering her house.
Brenda Prater lived in a house a block away
from her brother, Paul, and her sister-in-law,
Jennifer. During the early morning hours on April
23rd, she was writing in her journal. She was awake
because her husband, whom she was in the process of
divorcing, called and harassed her. She called Paul
and asked him to keep an eye out for her husband.
Between 1:00 and 3:00 a.m., while Jennifer was
sitting outside in her front yard, she saw a light-
colored car pass by with three occupants.
The interior light was on. The driver was a
man who had a darker complection [sic], but
was not black. I thought that he was Mexican.
There was a woman in the passenger seat. She
was light complected [sic] with big dark hair. I
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4. Discussion
[20] We hold that all of the reliable evidence,
both old and new, presented by Reed does not compel
the conclusion that it is more likely than not that no
reasonable juror would have voted to convict Reed.41
Initially, we note that what separates this case from
the majority of gateway-innocence cases is the
complete lack of a cohesive theory of innocence.
Reed's claim of innocence is seriously disjointed and
fragmented—he presents numerous alternative but
critically incomplete theories. By focusing on a
romantic relationship between himself and Stacey as
well as pointing to several alternative suspects—
Fennell, Lawhon, and some unknown dark-skinned
man—the new evidence before us fails to tell a
complete, rational exculpatory narrative that
exonerates Reed. None of Reed's theories meets the
gateway standard of innocence.
As Chief Justice Roberts recognized in his
concurring opinion in House v. Bell, “Implicit in the
requirement that a habeas petitioner present reliable
evidence is the expectation that a factfinder will
assess credibility.”42 Here, consistent with our writ
jurisprudence, we follow the credibility
determinations and factfindings made [747] by the
two judges who presided over Reed's habeas
proceedings. Both judges had the opportunity to
assess the demeanor of the witnesses who appeared
before them. Further, the trial judge who presided
over Reed's first and second habeas proceedings also
RODNEY REED, §
Petitioner §
§
v. § CIVIL ACTION NO.
§ A-02-CA-142
DOUG DRETKE, §
Director, Texas §
Department of §
Criminal Justice, §
Institutional Division, §
Respondent §
DECLARATION OF
ROBERTO J. BAYARDO, M.D.
STATE OF TEXAS §
§
COUNTY OF TRAVIS §
STATE OF MICHIGAN )
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of the body for 4-5 hours, before she was moved to the
position in which she was found. It is impossible that
this lividity occurred at the scene in the position the
body was found because Stites's body was found on
her back. I have reviewed investigation reports
indicating that mucus-like fluid was found near the
passenger floor board of the truck belonging to
Stites's fiancé. The presence of this fluid in
combination with the lividity on the arm, shoulder
and face is consistent with Stites being killed at a
different location and later placed into the pick-up
truck, resting with her face and arm lower than the
rest of the body. This would explain both the mucus-
like fluid near the passenger floor of truck and the
blanching (areas where blood is pressed out of the
skin) on the fingers as if pressed into something after
death.
3. The presence of lividity in these non-
dependent areas makes it medically and scientifically
impossible that Stites was killed between 3-5 am. on
the date in question. Stites could not have been both
murdered and dumped between the hours of 3-5 a.m.
on April 23, 1996 and remained undisturbed in that
spot until her body was discovered at around 3 p.m.
because the lividity observed in the non-dependent
areas [1] would have taken at least 4-5 hours to
develop. It is impossible that Stites was murdered
and left at the scene in the two-hour time frame
asserted by the State at trial. I have reviewed the
trial transcripts of the pathologist Roberto Bayardo
M.D. and the Crime Scene Investigator Karen
Blakely. The medico-scientific analysis of the lividity
I discuss was never addressed.
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_________________________
Werner U. Spitz, M.D.
10 February 2015
Via e-mail to [email protected]
Bryce Benjet
Staff Attorney, Innocence Project
40 Worth Street, Suite 701
New York, New York 10013
Re: Stacey Stites, deceased
Dear Mr. Benjet:
1. I am a physician, licensed to practice
medicine in the State of New York and Board-
Certified in Anatomic, Clinical and Forensic
Pathology. I am a former Chief Medical Examiner of
New York City and the former Chief Forensic
Pathologist for the New York State Police. I have
held professorial appointments at Albert Einstein
Medical School, Albany Medical College, New York
Law School and John Jay College of Criminal Justice.
I served as Chairman of the Forensic Pathology
Panels of the United States Congress Select
Committee on Assassinations that reinvestigated the
deaths of President John F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin
Luther King, Jr. (1970s). I have been a forensic
pathology consultant to the Federal Bureau of
Investigation, [2] the Veterans Administration, the
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(cont’d from previous page)
underwear become wet due to the post-mortem release of urine.
This would not affect the development of rigor.
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Case Information:
Case Number: F9801744
Defendant(s): Rodney Reed
Date of Review: 11/22/2017
Review of Testimony:
Date of Testimony: 5/11/1998
Testifying Analyst: Meghan Clement
Name of Prosecutor Mr. Charles Penick, Mr.
Forrest Sanderson, & Ms. Lisa
Tanner
Name of Defense: Mr. Calvin Garvie & Ms. Lydia
Clay-Jackson
Testimony Results (mark as appropriate):
Unsatisfactory Statements: Yes X . No .
If testimony contained Unsatisfactory Statements,
cite each by Error type, page(s), and line number(s):
Page 55, lines 13-21 With spermatozoa, the tails are
very fragile and tend to break
off, so after a short period of
time they start losing their
tails and then what you find is
only the spermatozoa heads,
from sexual assault cases. So
that can be an indicator of how
long the spermatozoa has been
in a particular place before it is
actually collected and detected.
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IN THE
COURT OF CRIMINAL APPEALS OF TEXAS AND
THE 21ST JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT
BASTROP COUNTY, TEXAS
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(cont'd from previous page)
allegations presented in Mr. Reed’s prior applications. Because
the Court is currently considering other pending habeas claims,
a lengthy recitation of the facts is unnecessary in this pleading.
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A. Yes.
A. No.
***
Q. Okay. Based on your knowledge and your
training and experience, how long of a time
frame are we talking about that you would
expect a sperm to be able to stay intact?
A. I have published documentation that
says that 26 hours is the outside
length of time that tails will remain
on a sperm head inside the vaginal
tract of a female.
TT Vol. 45:16 (emphasis added). On cross
examination, Ms. Blakley identified the published
documentation she relied on as an article from 1981
by “Willot and Allard.” TT Vol. 45:17.
Indeed, Ms. Blakley’s flawed opinion regarding
the presence of intact spermatozoa formed the basis
of the entire investigation that ultimately targeted
Mr. Reed. Ms. Blakely immediately reported her
opinion regarding the intact spermatozoa to the lead
homicide investigator, Texas Ranger Rocky Wardlow.
See Ex parte Reed, 271 S.W.3d 698, 705 (Tex. Crim.
App. 2008). And based on Ms. Blakeley’s report,
Wardlow viewed the presence of semen as a “smoking
gun,” “surmising that the evidence of sexual assault
gave the perpetrator motive to kill.” Id.
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the anal cavity, the answer provided dealt with Dr. Bayado’s
examination of intact sperm on the vaginal slides. See TT vol
56 :160
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1. Legal Standard
i. Patterns of Postmortem
Lividity Indicate that the
Body was Moved 4-6 Hours
After Death
Reed at his trial. Upon his arrest for unrelated drug charges,
Mr. Reed was surprised by the Bastrop Police investigators
when he was asked about Ms. Stites’s murder and falsely
denied knowing Ms. Stites. Although Mr. Reed’s reluctance to
reveal an affair with the white fiancé of a racist police officer
that would connect him to an open murder investigation is
understandable, there is no innocent reason for Fennell to have
given a false statement about his activities on the night of April
22, 1996 to his best friend.
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Respectfully Submitted,
/s/Bryce Benjet______________
BRYCE BENJET
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THE INNOCENCE PROJECT
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REPORTER'S RECORD
JURY TRIAL
GUILT/INNOCENCE
MAY 5, 1998
MORNING SESSION
VOLUME 45 OF 69
ORIGINAL
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[82]
particularly significant?
A. Not necessarily.
Q. Do you recall whether or not the two of you
went down and visited with Carol?
A. No, sir, we didn't.
Q. Okay. About what time did Stacey retire or go
to sleep that night?
A. Around 9 p.m..
Q. Okay. Were you going to go to sleep with her,
or were you going to stay up later that night?
A. I went ahead and stayed up and watched the
news.
Q. Now, I hate to have to ask you this, but I have
to ask you this. Did you and Carol -- I'm sorry,
I mean, did you and Stacey have any type of
sexual relations that night?
A. No, sir.
Q. Did you take a shower?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did she take a shower?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Did you take a shower together?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. But nothing happened thereafter?
A. Nothing happened.
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[83]
Q. And is there any specific reason why nothing
sexual happened that night between you?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. What is that reason?
A. She was on birth control and there was a
certain amount of the pills that she takes
that are not actually birth control, they're
just vitamins, and within that period of time
there is a greater possibility of getting
pregnant than the other pills, and she was on
those type of pills so we didn't have any kind of
sexual relationship during that time.
Q. And that information comes to you as a result
of the prescription?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Is that what they told you?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Once again, what was your intent with regard
to how she, Stacey, was going to get to work
the next morning?
A. She was going to drive herself and then I was
going to go down and get with her mother and
we was going to go that afternoon.
Q. All right. Do you recall at exactly what time
her alarm went off that morning?
[84]
A. I sure don't.
Q. I'm talking about the morning of the 23rd?
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A. No, sir.
Q. Do you recall waking up and waking her up?
A. No, sir.
Q. Do you recall that she woke up and woke you
up?
A. No, sir.
Q. Are you a light sleeper or heavy sleeper?
A. On the evenings that I coach baseball, I'm
usually a heavy sleeper, because I get up there
running around and everything and my
exercise and everything so I sleep heavier.
Q. Do you know what her schedule called for on
that particular day?
A. I believe it was the 3:30 a.m. shift.
Q. Okay. Which would mean she would get up at
what time to be there by 3:30?
A. She would usually get up around 2:45, or 2:50.
Q. And it would take her how long before she left
the apartment?
A. About fifteen -- ten or fifteen minutes.
Q. And that would give her enough time to make
that drive and be there by 3:30?
A. Yes, sir.
[114]
A. Yes, sir.
Q. And also on her side?
A. Yes, sir.
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Q. You personally spoke with David Lawhon
concerning Stacey Stites, did you not?
A. Yes, ma'am.
Q. Other officers, as well, spoke with David
Lawhon concerning Stacey Stites, is that
correct?
A. I don't have any personal knowledge of that.
Q. No one other than you was in the interview
room with David Lawhon when Stacey Stites
was discussed?
A. Not that I recall.
Q. After --
MS. CLAY-JACKSON: We need to approach
the bench one more time.
(Whereupon a brief discussion was held
off the record.)
Q. (BY MS. CLAY-JACKSON) After Gordon
Moore interviewed Jimmy Fennell, you spoke
with him?
A. With who?
Q. Jimmy Fennell?
A. Yes, ma'am.
Q. And he invoked his right to an attorney.
MS. TANNER: Objection, Your
[178]
Honor, that is not permissible questioning
with regard to Jimmy or anyone else.
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[34]
you-all?
A. Yes, he did.
Q. The information concerning Stacey's
whereabouts after 7:30 on the 22nd of April,
when she left her mother's apartment and
went up to hers, all of that information --
where did that information from come from?
A. It came from Jimmy Fennell.
Q. I'm sorry, would you say it again?
A. It came from Jimmy Fennell.
Q. Do you recall whether there was any
independent information gathered about
Stacey's whereabouts or her actions after --
that did not come from Jimmy Fennell?
A. I can't recall. I can't recall that.
Q. That type -- would that type of detail,
independent information from someone who
was not a suspect, would that have been
information that you would have put in your
report?
A. Yes, it would have.
Q. Have you had an opportunity to look at your
report?
A. Yes, I have.
Q. And that information was not in your report,
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[133]
MS. TANNER: No further questions.
RECROSS EXAMINATION
QUESTIONS BY MS. CLAY-JACKSON:
Q. And you said your name last name is Vacek; is
that right?
A. V-A-C-E-K, yes.
Q. Are you in school now?
A. Yes, ma'am, I am.
Q. Where are you going to school?
A. I go to Blinn in Schulenberg.
Q. And what are you studying?
A. Agriculture.
Q. And when you and Stacey were in school, did
she anticipate going to college also?
A. Yeah, she did, but I didn't know where she
wanted to go or what she was going to do.
Q But she knew that you were going to Blinn,
correct?
A. Well, my first year of college was at Stephen F.
Austin in Nacogdoches. I went there two years
and, yes, she knew I was going there.
MS. CLAY-JACKSON: No further
questions.
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[170]
STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF BASTROP
I, Carolee Murray, Official Court Reporter in
and for the 21st Judicial District Court of Bastrop
County, State of Texas, and Notary Public for the
State of Texas, do hereby certify that the above and
foregoing contains a true and correct transcription of
all the proceedings (of all proceedings directed by
counsel to be included in the Statement of Facts, as
the case may be), in the above styled and numbered
cause, all of which occurred in open Court or in
chambers and were reported by me.
I further certify that this transcription of the
record of the proceedings truly and correctly reflects
the exhibits, if any, offered by the respective parties.
WITNESS my hand this the 20th day of
August, 1998.
______________________________
Carolee Murray
Official Court Reporter
335th Judicial District
Certification No. 1938
Expiration Date 12-31-98
P.O. Box 2441
Brenham, Texas 77834
(409) 277-0707
REPORTER’S RECORD
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“DEATH ROW STORIES”
INTERVIEW WITH CURTIS DAVIS
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MALE #1:
16:25:36:00 Tell me your name and what your
title is?
CURTIS:
16:25:41:00 My name is Curtis Davis. I work at
the Bastrop County Sherriff's office
as a Criminal Investigator.
MALE #1:
16:26:18:00 So take me back with you to the mid
nineties and tell me what Bastrop
was like.
CURTIS:
16:26:25:00 Bastrop back there in the mid
nineties was very uh, a rural type of
setting. Uh, we were basically the-
the room and board for Travis
County. Uh, people came and lived
there and then worked in Travis
County, for the most part Austin.
And uh, so there wasn't a lot to even
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CURTIS:
16:27:05:00 All the other convenience stores and
everything closed down overnight. So
uh, to kind of give you a setting of
the idea that's behind what was
available back there it was large
ranching, farming community, rural
type living, rural type subdivisions
and uh, that was pretty much the
makeup of the 1990s of Bastrop.
MALE #1:
16:27:28:00 Do you know what the- I mean they
call it the Lost Pines Region and I,
uh- This is a test. I'm just curious if
you know what uh, Lost Pines are?
CURTIS:
16:27:37:00 Lost Pines would be that you're
driving on the highway and all of a
sudden there's a bunch of lo-lost
pines. There's a bunch of trees that
just kind of seemed like they didn't
quite belong and it would be the-the
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MALE #1:
16:27:54:00 Hmm. So when did you get involved
in uh, the police force. I mean you
were in [3] training. Well let me
start; when-when did you first meet
Jimmy Fennell?
CURTIS:
16:28:07:00 Uh, I had started working, when I
met Jimmy Fennell I had started
working at the Bastrop County Jail
and uh, he was also a-a jailor at the
time and I think he hired on maybe a
week earlier than I did. And uh, we
worked the same shift together.
MALE #1:
16:28:24:00 Didn't you guys, uh, go to the
academy together?
CURTIS:
16:28:27:00 We later went on to the academy
together. Uh, I think it was probably
about a year later uh, the Bastrop
County Sherriff's Office sponsored an
uh, a police academy there at the
office which was pretty handy. And
uh, at that point me, Jimmy, several
other uh, people that worked the jail
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MALE #1:
16:28:51:00 So if you're jailers together, does that
mean you guys get to spend a lot of
time together or are you working
different shifts or what's it like?
[4]CURTIS:
16:29:01:00 As a jailor you get to spend a lot of
time together. Um, the shifts that we
worked at Bastrop back then and
still currently today were 12 hour
shifts. And uh, you would work a
rotation of every other weekend off
which consisted of a Friday,
Saturday and Sunday. And the
rotation on Monday and Tuesday
would also fall into that as far as uh,
being off on Wednesday and
Thursday. So it just rotated over and
over again but we worked 12 hours
shifts and yes we were together. Uh,
back in those days uh, the jail
basically when you walked in it shut
the door behind you and you were
there all day.
CURTIS:
16:29:40:00 And it shut the door behind you
when you walked out. Um, they fed
us. You know we ate at the jail; we
worked the jail, if we had to go to the
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MALE #1:
16:29:57:00 So tell me about Jimmy, what-what
kind of guy was he like?
CURTIS:
16:30:01:00 Jimmy Fennell was a very quiet
individual. I mean he- I often-often
sensed him as the follower type. He-
he uh, was very quiet. [5] Uh, he-he
enjoyed the fact that he was looking
to become a police officer some day.
Uh, that's what we talked about uh,
that's what we visited about. Uh, it
was-it was a goal. And uh, that's got
to start somewhere and for both of us
it seemed like the jail was a good
start. It was uh- It was back then
real easy to get hired on particularly
Bastrop in the jail.
CURTIS:
16:30:40:00 Um, so it was a good fit. We got on,
we started working. Uh, Jimmy is
such you know took care of his
people, took care of his inmates. I
didn't know him necessarily to be
mean or anything like that. Um, he
took care of his business you know.
Uh, very precise, he liked being
precise in his paperwork and things
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MALE #1:
16:31:10:00 When you say he was more of a
follower, tell me a little bit what you
mean?
CURTIS:
16:31:17:00 He-he wasn't the type to jump up
and rah-rah in front of a crowd. He
wasn't the one to jump up and say
uh, "This is what we ought to do,
gang charge ahead, let's go." He
wasn't that guy. Um, he was more
the guy, "Let's sit back and see what
they're fixing [6]to say. Let's see
what they're fixing to tell us to do.
You know let's-let's-let's follow
directions, follow directives." That's
the guy I'm talking about.
MALE #1:
16:31:41:00 Why do you think Jimmy wanted to
be a-a-an officer so-so badly?
CURTIS:
16:31:48:00 Uh, Jimmy wanted to be an officer is
a good question. I-I'm not sure that I
even have an answer for that. I know
we compared thoughts um, back
then, back during those days. Of
course you know the-the-the little
show of uh, COPS. And that was a
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CURTIS:
16:32:30:00 Having-having and being around
cops in my family uh, we just talked
about that all the time. And then of
course once you started working in a
corrections environment you deal
with the cops on a daily basis and
you see them and you see them what
possibly on what you would like to
be; your dream. And [7] uh, that's- it
kind of drives you a little bit more I
guess.
MALE #1:
16:32:55:00 What is it about that that you think
was attractive to him?
CURTIS:
16:32:59:00 Being a police officer? The honest
opinion of I believe anybody that
would want to be a police officer um,
again I can't speak for him. I don't
know exactly why he wanted to be a
police officer. I-I would say that there
is a certain amount of uh, prestige
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CURTIS:
16:33:42:00 They see you, they know you're the
police officer in the area; it-it was
probably alluring because of that
factor you know for-for Jimmy, you
know.
MALE #1:
[8]16:33:56:00 Did uh, did he tell you when he
started seeing Stacey, do you
remember if he talked about that?
CURTIS:
16:34:03:00 Yes he talked about that.
MALE #1:
16:34:04:00 Tell me about that?
CURTIS:
16:34:04:00 Jimmy-Jimmy talked about seeing
Stacey.
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MALE #1:
16:34:06:00 I'm sorry you're going to have to
start over, Jimmy?
CURTIS:
16:34:08:00 Yeah Jimmy talked about seeing
Stacey uh, probably the first time he
met her. Um, I believe the story goes
and-and you're going to have to
excuse. It's been 20 years but I
believe the story goes that uh, he'd
met her at a softball game and they
talked, and talking let to going and
getting drink together. Uh, I believe
the drink was non-alcoholic; I believe
it was actually soda water and that's
what he made fun of. He said, "We
went and got a drink together and all
we got was a coke." He said but he
said "She was pretty cool. She's
pretty, she's attractive, and-and she
was very- seems very [9] outgoing."
And he made a comment that first
conversation with me that has
always stuck in my mind and that is
that he said he could see himself
being with somebody like this the
rest of his life.
CURTIS:
16:34:58:00 And I just kind of looked at him and
said, "I've been married for a long
time, you might want to look into
this." You know. So.
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MALE #1:
16:35:05:00 And do you remember when you first
met her?
CURTIS:
16:35:08:00 Uh, the first time I met her she came
to one of our academy classes.
MALE #1:
16:35:14:00 Can you start that over and use her
name?
CURTIS:
16:35:15:00 Yes, yes. The first time I met Stacey
she came to one of our academy
classes and uh, came to visit Jimmy,
drop off something Jimmy; dinner or
something. I don't really recall. Uh,
but she came up there and he
introduced me directly to her at that
point. And again big smile, big eyes
uh, a very attractive young lady. Um,
I could see why [10] he was-he was
you know looking forward to being
with her someday maybe.
MALE #1:
16:35:45:00 So you and your wife and family got
to know her as well, got to know
them as a couple; tell me about that?
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CURTIS:
16:35:53:00 Sure. My wife and my family we got
to know Stacey and uh, even Jimmy
a little bit more through uh, the
ongoing medium of partners. And
we-we became very good friends.
Um, at the time my friends were my
brothers. I didn't really have
anybody outside of my family as
friends. This was the first friend
outside of high school that-that I
actually enjoyed being around. We
shared the same interests uh, we-we
went hunting, we went shooting, we-
we went fishing. Um, these were
things we did. And of course once he
started dating Stacey then Stacey
was along on some of those
situations.
CURTIS:
16:36:34:00 Uh, the hunting, the shooting, the
fishing. Uh, just sitting around
shooting the bull. You know uh, she
would be around for some of those
and uh, so we got to talk to her and
interact with her. Um, at the time
my-my daughter was 12 years old
and she was involved and volleyball
and-and sports and [11] stuff at
school. And learned that Stacey had
also been involved in volleyball and
sports at school and so they kind of
hit it off. And-and she kind of took
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CURTIS:
16:37:12:00 So it-it was a very pleasant
relationship.
MALE #1:
16:37:17:00 So it sounds like you um, like you
really got to know Stacey a bit. Tell
me-tell me your impressions of her,
what she was like uh, you know her
character. What was Stacey like?
CURTIS:
16:37:31:00 Stacey's character was-was one of
uh... I could see her fitting in very
well at the time with Jimmy. She
was somebody first off I could stand
to be around. So it was-it was
pleasant to have her... if I'm going to
be with Jimmy, if we're going to do
guy stuff together then it was always
nice to have our women get along
together too. And of course my wife
was older than Stacey too but they
were talking. They were able to talk.
They were able to visit. They- she
got along with-with my family. That
was first and foremost very
important. Um, the [12] second part
of that would be her personality was
just very outgoing.
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CURTIS:
16:38:14:00 Very outgoing. Uh, the first time she
came over to our home we had had a
dinner and it was-it was and
fortunately dinner at my house
there's plates everywhere I mean
because there's a big family. And
Stacey was the first one to jump up
and start cleaning the table off you
know. And-and-and fully assisted my
daughter, by telling my daughter. It
just happened my daughters night
and my-my boys wash cl- wash
dishes too but uh, it just happened to
be my daughters night to wash the
dishes. And uh, she jumped up and
told Kim, "I'm going to help you."
And they did, they started helping
each other. And uh, I remember
laughing and cutting up and I mean
we're talking about a 12 year old and
what she was 19, 21 years old
something around there at that time.
CURTIS:
16:38:56:00 And, uh, they're giggling and cutting
up just like little girls you know at
the sink. And I remember those
pictures, I remember those thoughts
and they're very pleasant. Um, again
I... thirdly I guess I would say if I
was looking for somebody for my
buddy, my friend at the time I would
want somebody [13] that-that was
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CURTIS:
16:39:41:00 And Stacey expected him to-to do the
best he could and-and he always did.
You know under her rule. So um, I
guess that would be the three top
items that I would probably list as
far as Stacey's uh, personality and-
and how she dealt with people.
MALE #1:
16:39:57:00 Hmm, now how did you find out that
she was missing?
CURTIS:
16:40:07:00 I'd actually come to work that
morning and when I walked in I saw
Jimmy standing in what was kind of
our break room there... well it's not
kind, it is the break room there at
the Sherriff's office and uh, that was
odd. First off I knew he didn't work
there anymore, what is he doing
here? And he was standing by
himself and I said basically exactly
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CURTIS:
16:40:53:00 And so what could've happened to
her because she-she also in a
personality trait that she had was
working very hard at the time at-at
the local store that we have there in
town. And um, early hours, late
hours; that was nothing for her. And
for her not to be at work or for them
not to be able to find her at work was
totally outside the pocket. And so
that would've been the first real
feeling of loss that's something's not
right. So.
MALE #1:
16:41:31:00 Let me take you back a second. Did
uh, did he tell you when they had
first gotten engaged? Do-do your
remember that or?
CURTIS:
16:41:31:00 Oh he talked about that all the time.
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MALE #1:
16:41:31:00 What-what did he talk about when
he talked about it.
CURTIS: [15]
16:41:41:00 Yeah he... can I get a drink.
MALE #1:
16:41:47:00 It's a weird way to have a
conversation I know.
CURTIS:
16:41:50:00 Yeah, I know where we're going
though. Jimmy approached me and
told me that uh, he had uh, finally
decided that Stacey was going to be
the one and that they'd actually
talked about marriage. And he told
me that uh, he was going to ask her
to marry him and that uh, they
would be engaged roughly probably
by the plan uh, what would be about
a year.
MALE #1:
16:42:20:00 Cool.
CURTIS:
16:42:20:00 And uh, that's kind of how I was told.
And then uh, I believe we had a
dinner...
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MALE #1:
16:42:26:00 Sorry.
CURTIS:
16:42:42:00 We did a dinner uh, sometime later
and kind of... because we always had
dinners to have official things. You
know and-and you know my family,
baptisms, graduations, things [16]
like that; well this was one of those
dinners. You know it was-it was
important to us, it was important to
the family and so we had a fish fry
and we invited them both over and
you know she got to show us the ring
and she was you know exhibitant
[PH] to my daughter you know looky
here and just like giddy little girls. I
mean it just-it was a very happy
moment.
CURTIS:
16:43:16:00 And uh, we had a-we had a big feed
that night, big dinner and uh, and
from there we knew they were-they
were going to be together.
MALE #1:
16:43:26:00 Now Stacey was working real hard; I
think she had switched to the
morning shift. Tell me why Stacey
was working so hard at the time?
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CURTIS:
16:43:34:00 Stacey was working pretty hard at
the time all of this had-had come to a
head and that is that um, she was
working at the store and had
changed her hours so that she could
make a little bit more money uh, so
that she could help support further
her own wedding because her mother
didn't have a whole lot of means at
the time. And so she took it upon
herself to-to pay for that wedding.
[17] And instead of just saying "Hey
let's run down to the JP and go get
married for 50 bucks?" or whatever it
was back then. She still wanted to
have that big wedding uh, wedding
dress, the-the reception, the-the little
girl dream I guess you would say.
CURTIS:
16:44:17:00 And because of that um, she did take
on extra-extra duty, extra time and
extra money because she took these
shift uh, differential.
MALE #1:
16:46:40:00 Tell me again why she was working
so hard?
CURTIS:
16:46:42:00 Stacey was working pretty hard at
the time uh, uh, of their engagement
and just after because she was uh,
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[18] CURTIS:
16:47:23:00 She could've gone and him-him and
her could've gone to the-to the JP
and spent 50 bucks and-and been
done with it but she really wanted
that little girl dream of the big dress,
the big reception. You know the little
pomp and circumstance type thing.
And-and you know most of us guys
can't necessarily relate to it but uh,
you know having a-a young girl
myself I-I was in the same area. So
um, I understood it by the time I had
to go through it with my own
daughter a little bit better so.
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MALE #1:
16:47:53:00 Mm-hmm. Um, now through my
notes you had said that um, that he
called you that morning um, when
she disappeared. I'm not sure
whether uh, he called you or he just
showed up?
CURTIS:
16:48:11:00 No, he showed up. It wasn't... If I
had said it would've been- that
wouldn't have been true.
MALE #1:
16:48:16:00 Okay.
CURTIS:
16:48:16:00 So um, the way I found out was when
I walked through that-that side
employee door and I [19] turned to
go to the jail. Where we work at
there's a break room right there and
I saw him there. And like I said it
struck me as hey what are you doing
here, you know type of thing because
it-it really was odd for him to be
there. Not to mention the fact if he
was there he would've been there as
a police officer and he'd have been in
uniform. Ah, because he'd already
starting working for Gideon's at that
time. And uh, he was not, he was in
street clothes. So that-that
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immediately something-something
wasn't right.
MALE #1:
16:48:54:00 Do you remember what time that
would've been?
CURTIS:
16:48:56:00 It was early in the morning. I would
say around eight o'clock in the
morning maybe; somewhere around
that timeframe. And uh, um, it just
was unexpected to see him there at
that time of the morning and
particularly in street clothes and not
in uniform. So.
MALE #1:
16:49:14:00 And what did he tell you and how did
you react?
CURTIS: [20]
16:49:17:00 Well once I saw him in that break
room he was standing by himself and
my reaction was again uh, kind of
why are you here? You know uh,
kind of half-heartedly, "Why are you
here?" You know. And uh, his direct
comments were to me that-that
Stacey was missing and that she
didn't show up to work. That's all.
MALE #1:
16:49:41:00 And how did you react?
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CURTIS:
16:49:42:00 Something's up, something is wrong
because the reaction that I had was
that something was wrong and that
uh, something wasn't right and it
was based on probably related to my
job, my atmosphere of law
enforcement that we always probably
think of the criminal side before we
think anything else. And uh, I also
knew at the time that Stacey was
very diligent in going to work and
showing up to work and being on
time and all that- those type of
things. And for her not to have been
at work or showed up on time that
that was-that was way outside the
pocket for her.
MALE #1:
16:50:27:00 And how was Jimmy behaving,
feeling and?
CURTIS: [21]
16:50:32:00 He was very anxious.
MALE #1:
16:50:34:00 Who?
CURTIS:
16:50:34:00 Jimmy. Jimmy was very anxious
that morning when he had told me
this. Um, you could see in his eyes,
you could see the movements that
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MALE #1:
16:51:09:00 And tell me how you found out when
they found his truck?
CURTIS:
16:51:15:00 We had been at the office for a little
while just because that's I think if I
re-if I remember-if I remember right
Jimmy was told when we were find-
when we found out about the truck...
When we found out about the truck
Jimmy was told that uh, he had been
told already to stay at that little
break area. Don't remember exactly
who he was waiting on at the time. I
don't remember if it was city police
uh, Aaron the-the [22] Sherriff's
Office Investigators, uh, but he was
there and he had been told to stay
there. Well one of the investigators
from the Sherriff's Office and I do not
recall which one at the time. Uh,
came and told him that uh, they had
found the red truck.
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CURTIS:
16:51:57:00 Jimmy's red truck. And with that
being known immediately that's the
first clue or as you would say it. Uh,
well wherever that truck is she needs
to be close by. And so that was the
response we had. Um, he had came
over to the Sherriff's Office that
morning in Stacey's moms car and of
course I had drove my own vehicle.
Um, we both drove separate vehicles
over to where the truck was found
near the high school. I had got
permission from my boss to stay with
him. And be with him and uh, was
given that permission. So I left the
jail and went on uh, instead of
reporting to work that morning.
CURTIS:
16:52:40:00 And uh, we both pull up outside the
scene of where they had us stage and
uh, sure enough the truck was
parked over by what appeared to be
if I remember right a dumpster area
back behind the stadium.
CURTIS:
16:52:59:00 Again the- My first thought again
was that a criminal element had
stepped into this. There's somewhere
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CURTIS:
16:53:46:00 And seeing that truck there vacant
parked where it was immediately
brought the worst ideas.
MALE #1:
16:53:56:00 Describe the scene for me in terms of
what you saw, what the truck looked
like, what they had Jimmy do?
CURTIS: [24]
16:54:03:00 When we got there to the truck uh,
obviously there was a couple of
investigators there and they were
taking their pictures and-and doing
their processing. Uh, one of the
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CURTIS:
16:54:44:00 Um, I remember him start making
comments that you know there was-
there was clothing uh, that was in
the back seat that probably shouldn't
probably have been there. There was
uh, and it was some of Stacey's
clothing. Um, there was uh, uh, what
appeared to be some form of a-a I
guess you would describe it as a
mucus or a-a type of uh, um, element
like that that was on the-the
floorboard that he said that was
there. And uh, it kind of looked like
sputum or-or mucus or something
along those lines.
MALE #1:
16:55:25:00 Bodily fluid.
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[25] CURTIS:
16:55:26:00 Yeah bodily fluid. And it was on the-
it was on the floor uh, of the
floorboard. Um, the seat was all the
way back and the seatbelt was in
place. Uh, very common for people
who don't want to be wearing a
seatbelt; they'll lock it into place and
just ride on the seatbelt. Uh, that's
kind of what it appeared like; except
the seat was laid all the way back
also. Um, you could tell just by
looking that there was a hair print I
guess you would describe it uh, that
was directly over what would've been
the headrest area of this truck. It
was a small S-10 pickup truck that
had an extended cab.
CURTIS:
16:56:05:00 But yet if you laid the seat all the
way back and-and let's say where a
tall man or tallish person you
could've sat in that seat and your
head would've rested on the back
windshield. Uh, there's not a lot of
storage area behind the seat. I
believe it was only like that. So um,
that was something I would
recognize that seemed a little out of
the ordinary was the actual what
appeared to be hair print on the back
windshield caused by I couldn't tell
you; sweat, water, uh, some kind of
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CURTIS:
16:56:45:00 Um, there was nothing that I recall
Jimmy making a note of other than
the mucus on the floorboard. That
there was something of a mucus type
material that was on the floorboard.
Uh, everything else that said was
just kind of a disarray but nothing as
far as wasn't there that should've not
have been there other than that one
mark on the floorboard.
MALE #1:
16:57:13:00 I think there was also one of her
sneakers and an earring found in
there which you might not remember
but?
CURTIS:
16:57:20:00 Yeah, yeah and I don't remember
whether the sneaker and earring
were found by Jimmy or if they were
found by the investigators
themselves. Uh, I-I don't recall
seeing that but uh, again it's been a
while.
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MALE #1:
16:57:34:00 Do you remember seeing anything
outside of the truck?
CURTIS: [27]
16:57:40:00 I-I-I remember us looking around the
truck; just walking around from a
distance outside of the truck and
unfortunately if you were to ask me
if I saw anything outside the truck
I'd have to tell you I do not-I do not
remember seeing anything there
outside the truck.
MALE #1:
16:57:59:00 And what was uh, Jimmy's... [NON-
INTERVIEW]
MALE #1:
16:58:11:00 What uh, do you remember what
Jimmy's reaction was to all this; to
seeing the truck, to seeing the...
MALE #1:
16:58:18:00 Condition things around.
CURTIS:
16:58:19:00 Where is she at? His reaction was,
"Where is she at?" He want-he
wanted to know where she was at,
when the truck was found, uh, again,
probably the worst thing in the world
that could happen sometimes to an
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CURTIS:
16:59:05:00 He's asking those questions, and he
wants to know when the truck was
found, where- you know, who found
it. Uh, when-when it was seen, uh,
was anybody around the truck?
These are questions he's starting to
fire at the investigators and of
course, they're doing their job and
saying, "Well, the truck was found
this morning," and that was about all
he could get out of 'em is what time it
was found and the approximate time
it was first seen at-at-at that
location. And I want to say the first
time it was seen by memory was
around 5:00 if I recall.
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MALE #1:
16:59:37:00 5:23.
CURTIS:
16:59:38:00 Yes, sir.
MALE #1:
16:59:40:00 Um, when... Let me jump back a
second. Uh, when you first came to
the Bastrop police department that
morning...
[29] CURTIS:
16:59:53:00 Sheriff's office.
MALE #1:
16:59:54:00 Sheriff's office.
CURTIS:
16:59:54:00 Mm-hmm.
MALE #1:
16:59:55:00 Um, did he tell you anything about
the night before what he was doing?
CURTIS:
17:00:04:00 Not then. When-when Jimmy-when
Jimmy talked to me about the night
before and some of the things that
had-had led up to her leaving that
morning to go to work, um, that was
pretty much after the fact. It was
after we were trying, and when I say
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CURTIS: [30]
17:00:45:00 So pretty much we did. We went
back to-to Giddings, and uh-uh, went
back to his apartment, and at that
point is when he started talking
about some of the things that had
happened the night before. Um, he...
It's the first time I really sensed that
he was having some kind of blame.
He blamed himself for allowing her
to drive to work that morning
because he had said that he had
actually been driving her to work;
that way he can keep the truck. He
can go pick her up later. Whatever
their little arrangement was, but I
remember him making comments
about he should have got up out of
bed and drove her to tr- drove her to
work that morning. He said
otherwise she wouldn't be missing.
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MALE #1:
17:01:33:00 So why didn't he?
CURTIS:
17:01:36:00 The night before, based on what he
told me, uh, they- him and a couple
of the other police officers, I believe,
that were part of a little league
coaching group uh, had consumed a
little bit of alcohol. Uh, I won't say
they were drunk 'cause that's not
what he said, but they had drank a
few beers after practice and uh, those
beers were consumed in and around
his vehicle, and uh, that uh, brought
the truck back home that [31] night.
Um, I don't know how- what time. I
mean uh, if somebody was to ask me
a direct question about what time
they got home that night, I couldn't
answer that 'cause I don't know that
I was ever told. But it was later that
night after practice.
CURTIS:
17:02:18:00 So um, I would assume definitely
10:00ish, 11:00 maybe at night. You
know, after he powed around with
the guys a little bit. Plus his whole
reasoning for necessarily not coming
straight back home was Stacey was
asleep. She would go to bed at 9:00,
8:00. 9:00 at night in order to get
ready for the shift the next morning.
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MALE #1:
17:02:54:00 And uh, did he normally wake up
when she left for work? And if he
didn't that morning, why not?
CURTIS:
17:03:01:00 Well, and to ask me if-if uh, they- he
normally woke up to take her to
work, uh, I guess the question would
be answered like [32] this. Their-
their sleeping arrangements were
based on uh, his job being shift work
and now her job being shift work of
an early hours and stuff. So they
were kind of passing in the wind
sometimes, you know, because of the
way that they were working, but yet,
um, for him to get up in the morning,
that was mentioned to me that he
was driving her to work so that he
could have the truck, but every day I
can't answer that 'cause I don't know
for a fact that's true.
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MALE #1:
17:03:40:00 Yeah, I don't mean to uh... It's not-
it's more of what happened that
morning.
CURTIS:
17:03:44:00 Yeah.
MALE #1:
17:03:44:00 You had told me when I talked to you
on the phone.
CURTIS:
17:03:45:00 Yeah.
MALE #1:
17:03:47:00 That he said, uh, that he didn't wake
up when she left because he had had
a few beers.
[33] CURTIS:
17:03:51:00 Yeah, he'd had a few beers.
MALE #1:
17:03:52:00 That's all. So just do me a favor and
tell me that.
CURTIS:
17:03:55:00 Yeah, uh, and basically the reason
why he didn't get up the next
morning whether it was because of
uh, her wanting to allow him to sleep
further because she knew that he'd
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MALE #1:
17:04:13:00 And, uh, describe to me the scene
where you were with Jimmy uh,
when you found out that her body
had been found. [CLEARS THROAT]
CURTIS:
17:04:42:00 When we discovered that her body
had been found, that Stacey had
been found, um, me and Jimmy were
actually upstairs in his apartment.
Um, he was basically laying on a
beanbag on the floor, on the big bean
bags, and I was sitting on a chair,
and we were just talking about police
stuff. Trying to-trying to think about
something else for [34] right now,
and I kept telling him every time
he'd go back to the topic of her,
"They're gonna find her. She's gonna
be okay, and we'll deal with
whatever has happened to her. We'll
deal with it." And I just kept telling
him that and reassuring him that.
And this went on for a little while. I
don't remember how long.
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CURTIS:
17:05:27:00 We were actually in the-the room
together, but uh, there was a knock
at the door. I answered the door and,
if I recall right, it was the chief
deputy for Lee County; a guy by the
name of Rodney Meyer, who is now
the sheriff. Looked down and I could
see that there was other police
officers in the grassy area of the
apartment, and there was cop cars
from Bastrop. There was
investigators from Bastrop. The
Texas ranger was there. Rocky
Wardlow. Uh, there was another
deputy there from Lee County, and
we walked downstairs, and we got
downstairs. I believe it was uh,
Investigator Connor who walked up
and told Jimmy, "We found her, and
she's deceased."
MALE #1:
17:06:24:00 And how did he react? Do you
remember?
CURTIS: [35]
17:06:27:00 Shock. He didn't say anything. Yeah,
I that-that Connor kind of gave him
a-a brief hug and-and Jimmy started
crying, and the officers that were out
there that day, several of 'em, started
crying, and uh, new phase in our life
began. So...
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MALE #1:
17:06:56:00 So just briefly tell me what happened
after that; how things went.
CURTIS:
17:07:04:00 Well, right after they notified Jimmy,
uh, knowing that uh, Stacey's mom
had some medical issues, um, it was
decided that they were going to tell
Jimmy first, and then follow through
with her mother, and actually her
mother lived right underneath
Jimmy, and we went into the
apartment, sat down, and we told
her at that point. Um, as you can
imagine, a mother just lost her
daughter. It was not a pleasant
scene. Um, pretty much after that,
you know, I-I told Jimmy I'd be there
for him. Um, "You know, you need
anything. . ." His dad has showed up.
CURTIS:
17:07:50:00 I turned basically him over to his
father. [OFF-CAMERA
CONVERSATION] Yeah, we-we
went downstairs and we told his uh,
her mother and uh, as you can
imagine, mother just lost her
daughter, and so the scene was very
[36] chaotic. Um, wasn't pleasant
whatsoever. And uh, from that point
there's some time that had gone
through and-and actually Jimmy's
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CURTIS:
17:08:44:00 So um, I drove to my home there in
Lee County and uh, now I get the job
of telling my family who had grown
fairly close to the whole situation
and uh, and you know, obviously
when you have somebody who has a
car crash or they die in a car accident
or a sudden health issue, a heart
attack or something like that, it's
explainable. You expect it almost
sometimes, but to have a loved one or
a friend removed from you through
what was told to us by means of
somebody else taking her.
CURTIS:
17:09:30:00 Um, that was hard to accept. It was
hard to explain to young kids when I
got home that-that afternoon.
MALE #1:
17:09:41:00 Uh, I can't imagine. I'd never been in
that position and I'm glad I haven't.
Um, I want to take you back to when
you were a jailer then. Um, and ask
you about this guy and Rodney Reed
and whether you ever knew of him
[37] or as an officer uh, did you ever
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CURTIS:
17:10:19:00 Rodney Wee- Reed was a- Rodney
Reed was a person that uh, I had
encountered in the jail uh, maybe a
couple times. Uh, I wouldn't be for
sure, but I do- I did recognize him
from the jail. At the time I was
working in the jail that I ran across
Rodney a couple of times. I'd also, at
the same time, been working for the
Bastrop County Sheriff's office as a
reserve deputy. Kind of a reserve
deputy and go out on patrol and-and
assist the deputies, uh, on nights off,
vacations, things like that, and you
can just kind of fill in a spot.
CURTIS:
17:10:53:00 And so I was doing that at the same
time I was working at the jail. So I
had an opportunity to patrol the
streets of Bastrop uh, County, and
cities of Alvin, Bastrop, Smithville.
So I got to learn a lot of the people
that were roaming around, that were
available for uh, contact with police,
I guess you would say. Um, also
because of my stint in the jail, I
recognize a lot of these people. I-I
knew who they were, you know? But
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CURTIS:
17:11:28:00 Uh, probably need to check this guy.
You know, see exactly what he's
doing. Rodney happened to be one
of those people. Rodney was one of
those people that was always out
3:00, 4:00 in the morning, um,
usually on a bicycle, and uh, riding
up and down the railroad tracks
there in Bastrop, in the city of
Bastrop. Um, it-it just became
almost his uh, mode of operation, you
might say, that if you ran across
Rodney Reed, he was gonna be on
the railroad tracks and he was gonna
be there in the city of Bastrop and he
was gonna be on a bicycle.
CURTIS:
17:12:02:00 You know, to stop and talk to him
was almost stupid because you
already knew who he was. You knew
what he was doing, but at least you
knew where he was. So it-it became,
"Well, there's Rodney. At least we
know where he is," you know? But
uh, that would-that would have been,
if I was to explain when I first met
Rodney, that would be some of my
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CURTIS:
17:12:33:00 I'd love to explain what I thought
Rodney was doing at that hour of the
night driving up and down, riding up
and down the railroad tracks on a
bicycle. Uh, I'm not sure I could give
an explanation. I will say that I
know that he had been stopped and
talked to about drug uh, sales. He
had been stopped and talked to about
having drugs on him. Um, how many
arrests were made because of that, I
could not tell you. I never personally
arrested him for anything. So that
would probably have to be my
answer on that. I don't know what
Rodney was doing at that time of
morning, uh, other than didn't have
a job. So I guess he could roam
whenever he wanted to.
MALE #1:
17:13:13:00 Did he have any kind of reputation
among the police?
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CURTIS:
17:13:16:00 He had a reputation among the
police. Uh, Rodney uh, was somebody
that was known, and unfortunately
when you're dealing with a law
enforcement community, it's better
off not to be known because it's kind
of like the bad kid in class. That bad
kid, teacher [40] knows that bad kid
every time. Well, Rodney was kind of
developing that type of reputation as
being the bad kid. He was always
seems to be around when he
wouldn't, shouldn't be around. Um,
whether or not he was every arrested
for burglaries or theft, um, I will say
this, it seemed like every night that I
ever encountered him on the rail
road track, he was on a different
bicycle.
CURTIS:
17:13:55:00 So again, small town theft, I-I really
don't know what he was doing.
MALE #1:
17:14:01:00 Which is [I think?] when you, uh, you
discover or when you learned who
was arrested for Stacey's murder,
what was your reaction?
CURTIS:
17:14:13:00 My reaction when I found out that
Rodney had been arrested for
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MALE #1:
17:14:57:00 I'm gonna be talking to David Board
about that 'cause I-I know he...
[OVERLAP]
CURTIS:
17:15:01:00 Yeah, and that's-that's your best
answer is right there.
MALE #1:
17:15:03:00 And I know since you weren't
involved.
CURTIS:
17:15:05:00 Yeah.
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MALE #1:
17:15:06:00 Even though you might know the
information.
CURTIS:
17:15:08:00 Yeah.
MALE #1:
17:15:08:00 It's not really best for me to talk to
you about it
CURTIS:
17: 15: 12:00 Yeah.
CURTIS:
17:15:37:00 The way I felt when I discovered
that-that Rodney was found guilty
and ultimately he was given the
death sentence, um, the first part of
that would have been we found out
he was guilty. That was-that was
step one. And actually the important
step. The part about the death
penalty, depending on what genre
you talk, who you talk to, what facet
of life you were brought up in, the
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CURTIS:
17:16:13:00 At the time, I was hurt. At the time,
I was disappointed. I had to watch a
woman be buried in her wedding
dress. All those pictures came back
to my mind watching my friend
suffer the way we did that day
together not knowing, finding out.
And again, ultimately seeing her
buried a few days later in her
wedding dress that she worked so
hard to buy and was so proud of. And
I was a little upset. To say that I
would like to see Rodney Reed die,
that day, yes. I was very pleased
with the outcome.
[43] CURTIS:
17:17:04:00 Um, I still say that there's justice
and justice and because I do believe
in the American justice system. I do
believe and do support the death
penalty. Um, again, we can
conversate that for days, but
ultimately that day I would say
because of all the pictures that ran
through my mind, I was very pleased
of the fact that I found out that he
got the death penalty.
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MALE #1:
17:17:36:00 Forget about that day. Just tell me
how you feel about it. Uh, not about
the death penalty, but about him and
about what-what the justice system
wants to do to him. I mean. . .
CURTIS:
17:17:48:00 Well, that's... As...
MALE #1:
17:17:49:00 Whether he deserves to live or not.
CURTIS:
17:17:51:00 As we progress further and we get
into what has become a 20 year stint
of my experience, my law
enforcement experience, my law
enforcement teachings, um, what I
know now about the case that's been
more open than more prevalent
throughout whether you listen [44]
to the news or you listen direct case
law coming out of the court. Um,
there is no doubt in my mind that
Rodney Reed caused the death of
Stacey Stites, and because he caused
the death of Stacey Stites, he should
have to answer for that.
CURTIS:
17:18:28:00 A court of law has appointed him to
die by lethal injection and I support
that and I believe that that would be
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MALE #1:
17:19:03:00 You said Rodney uh, caused the
death of Stacey Stites. That sounds a
little indirect.
CURTIS:
17:19:11:00 When I said Rodney caused the
death of Stacey Stites, it-it may
sound a little indirect, but uh, in all
actuality it's a-it's a legal term. Uh,
that's exactly what he did do.
Whatever actions he did to cause
that, um, ultimately his actions
caused her death. Uh, the evidence
speaks for itself. [45] I mean you
know, the autopsies, the evidence
that was found at the scene of her
body. Uh, we can pretty well surmise
what happened to her.
CURTIS:
17:19:43:00 Um, again, without being directly
involved in the investigation, I can
tell you what-what I know was
found, but uh, I believe the evidence
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MALE #1:
17:20:04:00 It's just that's what most people
think of. I mean e-even though you're
using correct legalistic term.
[COUGH]
CURTIS:
17:20:08:00 Sure.
MALE #1:
17:20:10:00 I'm thinking of the general public.
CURTIS:
17:20:12:00 Sure.
MALE #1:
17:20:12:00 So that's-that's why I wanted you to
make you say that. That's a little
more...
CURTIS: [46]
17:20:15:00 Mm-hmm. Oh, that's cool.
MALE #1:
17:20:17:00 Okay. [LAUGH] Um, and tell me
what you think of Rodney Reed;
about him as you know, the kind of
person that has committed these
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CURTIS:
17:20:36:00 Rodney Reed, at the point in which I
interacted with him or he interacted
with what became part of my life,
um, he took a piece of life at that
point. A piece of my life that uh, I
will never forget. I will never forget
having to tell my uh, daughter who
had been told that she was going to
be part of Stacey's wedding group,
and uh, the fact that I was going to
be the best man at the wedding, and
these are things that uh, he took
away from us.
CURTIS:
17:21:16:00 And like I said, Stacey was not killed
in a car accident. Something you
could explain. She had somebody
maliciously take her life. Selfishly
take her life and because of that, we
were left to pick up the pieces. Um, I
can tell you this. Uh, the friendship
that I talked very highly of earlier is
non-existent. We do not talk
anymore. It became easier not to talk
to each other anymore because of the
memories. He went [47] his way, and
I went mine. I continue to raise my
family and he went on and continued
to raise his family.
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CURTIS:
17:21:53:00 Um, it uh, tore apart a good
friendship. Something that, quite
honestly, I have never looked for
again. I fell back into the love and
care about my brothers and that's
who my friends are, and so Rodney
Reed, as a person, is a liar. He's not
willing to admit what he has done to
people, to himself; not to mention his
own family. You know, we're talking
about putting a man to death and he
has a family. The problem is in this
case, he's not the victim. He's the
person who committed the murder,
and the family is gonna hurt just the
same. So I don't think much of
Rodney Reed.
MALE #1:
17:22:55:00 You feel justice has been served.
CURTIS:
17:22:57:00 And I do feel like justice has been
served and will be served.
MALE #1:
17:23:03:00 You hope to see it served.
CURTIS:
17:23:04:00 Yes, I do.
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[48]MALE #1:
17:23:06:00 Can you tell me that?
CURTIS:
17:23:07:00 Yeah, I feel like justice has been
served and I-and I hope to see it
fulfilled and served through the
whole process.
MALE #1:
17:23:17:00 And tell me what happened to
Jimmy after because I know some-
some bad things ended up happening
or he ended up doing some bad
things.
CURTIS:
17:23:25:00 Yeah. After this- after the trial, after
the-the sentencing, after that part of
or segment of our life had-had come
to a close, and then Rodney will go
on. Rodney Reed will go on and-and,
you know, his lawyers will start to
work the legal system as-as is
afforded to him by law. The other
side of it is, is that Jimmy, he went
on with his life or tried.
CURTIS:
17:24:02:00 Um, he ends up going from Giddings.
Moving from Giddings to uh, a police
department uh, just north of Austin
in the area of Georgetown, and I
believe, if I remember right, that
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CURTIS:
17:24:41:00 Um, and she would fill me in about
what he was doing and what he was
accomplishing. Um, and he moved up
into the ranks of the Georgetown
Police Department. Um, he
eventually uh, will remarry or re- or
he will get married. Uh, I believe he
actually has a couple daughters. Uh,
I believe from Facebook entries to my
wife, he actually bought some land.
Um, he was trying to move on with
his life, and somewhere in all this,
there's a news article that come out,
"Georgetown Police Officer arrested
for sexual abuse of a prisoner," and
it's Jimmy Fennell.
CURTIS:
17:25:35:00 I was shocked. I really was. I was
shocked. I-I had no- I did not know
what to think. You know, first off you
want to think, well, he's innocent.
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CURTIS:
17:26:11:00 So again, you know, you live by the
sword, you die by the sword. DNA is
what caught Rodney Reed. DNA is
what caught Jimmy Fennell. Um,
again, our friendship at that point
was non-existent. I had not talked to
him in a couple of years, and since
that's happened, I have not
communicated with him at all nor
does my wife Facebook with him. The
last I heard he was actually in
prison. So that's an area in my life
that uh, as I refer to, I shelf. I'll
never forget it. It was important to
me at the time, but I'm also one of
them people that I'm not gonna dwell
on things I cannot fix.
CURTIS:
17:26:59:00 I cannot fix this. All I can do is teach
my children, my grandchildren to
move on and to experience life to the
fullest because you truly never ever
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CURTIS:
17:27:39:00 You know, there's uh... And when
I'm- when I say not experienced, I'm
talking about the power thing. It's-
you're trying to serve people. You're
trying to do those things, and I'm not
a Crusader. I mean I'm not-I'm not
that type of guy, but you have a job
to do. Just do the job and go home.
You know, that's-that's some old cops
taught me that a long time ago. Just
do the job and go home. You know,
don't bring it home. There's no sense
in it, and yet, these type of aspects of
your friend's fiancé being murdered,
uh, every day dealing with it, it-it's
tough not to do.
CURTIS:
17:28:18:00 But uh, if my wife was sitting here
today, she'd tell you I do not talk
about this stuff at home. I do not
bring it home. So what happened to
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CURTIS:
17:29:11:00 And I will never believe that. Never.
The person who took Stacey's life is
sitting on death row in Austin,
Texas; that's Rodney Reed.
MALE #1:
17:29:23:00 That's what I was gonna ask you
because after that happened, people
started saying, "Well, if-if he's able to
commit this violent crime and try to
cover it up" because according to the
story he tried to, you know, hide
what he did...
CURTIS:
17:29:44:00 Mm-hmm.
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MALE #1:
17:29:45:00 That... Well, you tell me. What were-
what was the reasoning for-for
people to think that after that
happened, that maybe he could have
killed Stacey.
CURTIS:
17:29:57:00 Oh, that's an easy one. Just um, I
believe the reason why Bastrop
rumors, stories started flying around
after Jimmy's arrest for uh, his crime
he committed with that- [53] with
that lady up in Georgetown- I believe
the reason why most people jumped
on the Jimmy Fennell bandwagon
that he had to have done this. He-he
had to have had something to do
with it um, was because...
MALE #1:
17:30:25:00 Had to have something to do with
what? Sorry.
CURTIS:
17:30:28:00 The reason why I think they jumped
on the bandwagon because of the fact
that-that Jimmy had to do with the
murder and death of Stacey is
because it was-it was an easy target
at the time. It's easy to sit there
because our judicial system is one of
doubt. If we can cause somebody to
doubt something, that's all it takes.
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CURTIS:
17:31:13:00 Their son, their cousin, their brother.
And they will do anything in their
power to cause that doubt, and
they're reaching out with all hope to
save Rodney Reed's life. I [54] don't
blame them for it. I would expect
that, but I also know it's wrong, and
as I've said earlier, the man who is
responsible for Stacey Stites' death is
Rodney Reed and he is sitting on
death row in Huntsville, Texas.
MALE #1:
17:31:54:00 And Jimmy Fennell is not the man
who killed Stacey Stites.
CURTIS:
17:31:57:00 And Jimmy Fennell is not the person
who killed Stacey Stites. Jimmy
Fennell, in my opinion, based only on
opinion, is a person who lost sense,
lost control of his life. Was it based
on the fact that he'd lost his fiancé? I
wouldn't be able to tell you that
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CURTIS: [55]
17:33:01:00 And I allowed into my home and was
around my children. So...
MALE #1:
17:33:09:00 I believe it. I think I covered
everything I wanted to, but I just
want to check.
CURTIS:
17:33:18:00 Sure.
MALE #1:
17:33:19:00 Um, oh, this was something.
Because-because people brought this
up, uh, and I don't-it's not
necessarily because I want to use it
in this film, but I'm just curious and
want to hear it from you. Um, peop-
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CURTIS:
17:33:45:00 Oh yeah.
MALE #1:
17:33:45:00 And people could have helped
Jimmy. Uh, what do you think of
those? The possibility that, you
know, a police officer... That Jimmy
could have done this and that other
police would have helped him cover it
up or helped him drive back or
something like that?
CURTIS:
17:34:04:00 The other thing that-that followed
with the rumor mills and the-and the
different things [56] that happened
in a small communities obviously. I
guess it happen in large too, but uh,
particularly in Bastrop at that time
of the-the murder case going on, uh,
was that uh, Jimmy could have had
somebody help him do this; that uh,
the conspiracy factor behind police
officers, you know, know how to get
away with it a lot better than the
normal criminal person would, um,
that is ludicrous. There...
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CURTIS:
17:34:37:00 This of all things, small
communities, particularly small
police communities, it's harder to
hide things that it is necessarily in a
large community police agency. Um,
I'm not sure if I have factual
numbers or anything to go behind
that. It's just my opinion that we
can't get away with nothing in my
office because everybody knows what
you do. So it takes a lot. It would
take a lot for another man,
particularly a police officer, to walk
up to another police officer and say,
"Hey, look, I'm thinking about killing
my wife or my fiancé. How about you
come help me with it?"
CURTIS:
17:35:26:00 First off, what's the end-end run for
the other guy? Oh, I get to sit there
and watch? I get that's supposed to
be fun for me. Uh, I get to maybe go
to prison for the [57] rest of my life.
These are not things that are readily
available in the thought process of
police officers when you would be
planning a murder. Um.
MALE #1:
17:35:47:00 Well, let me just... Sorry to interrupt
you, but...
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CURTIS:
17:35:49:00 No, I...
MALE #1:
17:35:51:00 I'd say that if anything, in these
other theories, it wasn't a
premeditated thing. That it might be
a more oh, I-I [OVERLAP]...
CURTIS:
17:36:00:00 I can talk about that.
MALE #1:
17:36:01:00 Had some moment of [COUGH]
passion or...
CURTIS:
17:36:04:00 I can talk about that.
MALE #1:
17:36:04:00 Be it a mistake, will you as a friend
help me?
CURTIS:
17:36:07:00 Yeah, you know, to think that this
was a premeditated thing, obviously
I-I don't [58] believe that.
[OVERLAP] [OFF-CAMERA
CONVERSATION]
MALE #1:
17:36:23:00 I'm sorry.
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CURTIS:
17:36:24:00 Um, I'm having a brain freeze for a
second.
MALE #1:
17:36:27:00 Well, uh, you had been talking about
something premeditated. I'm talking
about or I think the idea.
CURTIS:
17:36:31:00 Yeah, if-if the idea that this was a
premeditated situation is not gonna
work. Um, it would probably be
something if you're gonna blame
Jimmy it would be what? A-a-an act
of passion. They had an argument.
Uh, he didn't see things the same
way she did or whatever. And it
would have to be an act of passion.
Well, if you're gonna do that and
you're gonna say that somebody else
helped you do this, you're still gonna
have to go to somebody and say,
"Hey, you're gonna have to help me
get rid of this body." That is a big
undertaking, you know, to ask
another man or woman to come in on
your criminal episode.
CURTIS: [59]
17:37:12:00 I would... Had he come to me with
that, be very honest with you. I'll tell
you this. Had he come to me and
said, "Curtis, I killed Stacey. I need
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CURTIS:
17:37:50:00 You know, law enforcement wants
cooperation. So the first thing we
preach to the bad guys when we even
talk to them. I've done it for 18 years.
Is you need to cooperate. You need to
tell us what you've done. You need to
show repentance because District
Attorneys are sitting back and
they're waiting. They want to see
what you're gonna say and if you
come in and you basically say, "I'm
not talking to you," okay, well, I'm
not gonna deal with you. We'll just
send you up the river 'cause we got
the evidence. So you're done. You
come in there and say, "Look, my
family was hungry. I had to get some
food for 'em. Yeah I stole that TV. I
repent. I'm sorry. I [60] won't ever do
it again. Please give me a break."
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CURTIS:
17:38:30:00 Which do you think people want to
hear? Had Jimmy gone in and said,
"I killed her. We got mad at each
other. I pushed her. She slipped and
fell." Whatever the situation was
that would have caused her death,
but to take an item and place it
around her neck and pull with the
force that it took to strangle her,
Jimmy Fennell did not do that. It did
not happen like that. The man who
wanted her dead because he could
not allow her to talk about him is
sitting on death row in Huntsville
and his name is Rodney Reed.
MALE #1:
17:39:10:00 What do you mean could not allow
her to talk about him? Explain that.
CURTIS:
17:39:13:00 There was uh, indications that there
was a sexual act committed against
her and so I'm pretty sure that uh,
he didn't want her getting out telling
everybody that it was him that did it,
and for him to be found out.
MALE #1:
17:39:28:00 Right. So...
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[61] CURTIS:
17:39:28:00 And besides, we-we never will know
what Rodney's state of mind was at
that time as far as whether he was
using alcohol, whether he was using
drugs, or whether that's just his
normal psyche. We'll never know
that. You know, because he's not
telling us. So we're left to wonder,
well is this something that the
Rodney Reed of the world did on a
regular basis? Is this something the
Rodney Reed of the world did only
when he got drunk or-or high on
drugs? We'll never know because
Rodney did not want to cooperate
with law enforcement.
MALE #1:
17:40:07:00 If you could say something to
Rodney, what would you say?
CURTIS:
17:40:14:00 If I could say something to Rodney, I
would probably say, "I forgive you for
what you did to my family only
because I was raised in a Christian
lifestyle and I feel like I owe that at
least to my grandmother, but you
deserve what the state of Texas will
be doing to you and that is ending
your life."
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MALE #1:
17:40:47:00 I believe you. Is there anything else
you'd like to say that I haven't
covered?
[62] CURTIS:
17:40:55:00 Not a lot. No. We're-we're pretty
done. Yeah. Um, yeah.
MALE #1:
17:41:04:00 Grace. Guys. Anything?
FEMALE:
17:41:07:00 I think we're good. [OFF-
CAMERA CONVERSATION]
MALE #3:
17:41:16:00 [ROOM TONE]
MALE #1:
17:41:33:00 Could you do me one favor and just
stand up and just stand up and then
step and sit down uh, just so that we
film you sitting down in the chair?
CURTIS:
17:41:45:00 Okay.
MALE #1:
17:41:45:00 As if it's the beginning of the
interview, unless you did that.
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CURTIS:
17:41:48:00 Into this chair? [OFF-CAMERA
CONVERSATION]
CURTIS:
17:42:00:00 Right here and then sit down?
MALE #1:
17:42:01:00 Yeah, go for it. Great. Curtis, I
apologize for putting you through
this, but I really appreciate it.
CURTIS:
17:42:16:00 It brought back some memories.
MALE #1:
17:42:16:00 I can't-I can't tell you how much I
appreciate it.
CURTIS:
17:42:18:00 All right. Well, and I-I think based
on the phone call, you know most of
the evidence anyway. You know, I
did I know about the belt? Yeah. I
know about the belt. Uh, did I know
where she...
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_________________________
Alicia Slater
/s/ M. Davis .
Notary Public
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M. Davis .
NOTARY PUBLIC SIGNATURE
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STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF BASTROP
AFFIDAVIT
COUNTY OF BASTROP
STATE OF TEXAS
Richard Reyna .
Notary Public Signature
My Commission Expires: August 22, 2018
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