Build An Analog Vocoder
Build An Analog Vocoder
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Image Notes 1. Each channel has an RGB LED (which emmits warmer light as the intensity in each channell increases)
Image Notes 1. This is the finished vocoder, withouth the lid, so you can see it on the inside.
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Image Notes 1. An old scope some kind man sold to me for 20 dollars 13 years ago (last calibrated in 1974)
Step 4: Solder it up
Since I am self-taught I used standard circuit boards instead of printing the boards myself. These photos show the process of soldering up the filter bank. Someone asked for images of the underside... so I have posted 3 more images to this step, the images are of one completed bank board (which actually has 2 filter banks on it). The first image is the top, the corresponding is the underside (flipped vertically, not horizontally), the third image is a copy of the underside with some visual cues.
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Step 6: Enjoy
Now just get down and mess around with your new vocoder. I had never played around with one of these and I am just about scratching the surface... This vocoder (with patch cables) will allow you to invert the spectrum or transpose it, (even use external CV from analog gear like sequencers). Credits: The design borrows ideas from several vocoder schematics on the net. Many of these vocoders used difficult to find parts and many more components. I used a filter calculator provided on the net by Okawa Electric Design (http://sim.okawa-denshi.jp/en/OPtazyuBakeisan.htm) to design the filter banks. Also, I borrowed the concept of only varying condensers on the filter from the Okita vocoder, this makes it very easy to make all the banks because they are identical except for 8 capacitors in each; making the voltage control patchable was borrowed from the Elekvoc. The voltage controlled amplifier is based on a circuit made available from Rene Schmitz.
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Phrack says:
Jan 21, 2011. 5:51 PM REPLY I was just wondering, with regards to the patch bay system, how would one configure it? Are the two amplifiers from the microphone and keyboard connected to each analyser, and then the outputs patched with cables to the output mixer? On the analysis board schematic, there is an arrow pointing between the band level pot and the VCA saying "Add patch bay jack here". What would that do? I suppose I'm a tad confused as to the layout of the modules overall.
Pixelator0 says:
Nov 27, 2010. 8:07 PM REPLY Could you provide an equation or even (God bless you if you do) an extended chart for finding cap values if we want to do more than 14 channels? It would be massivly appreciated. Other than that small request, smashing job, this is precisely what i was looking for.
planetone says:
There is a formula... but it is easier to use this online calculator: http://sim.okawa-denshi.jp/en/OPtazyuBakeisan.htm
Also, if you plan to build this please check out bitrex comments on the first step, as he suggests a better VCA (or use OTAs) for better sound.
robabarna says:
is it possible to know where did you get the idea for the envelope follower from? the basic model you used? thanks.
robabarna says:
Aug 19, 2010. 4:24 AM REPLY why a 2 stage band pass filter? wouldn't it be enogh with only one? or is it a band pass filter implemented with a low pass filter plus a high pass filter?
lamikam says:
What is the part number for the diodes? Thanks.
lamikam says:
Get we get a higher resolution pics of the schematics? Very hard to read. Thanks!
planetone says:
Clic on the little i in the corner
lamikam says:
Super! Thanks.
cdousley says:
Jul 5, 2010. 12:38 PM REPLY WOW nice! but this seems like it would be easier with an arduino mega or something like it. I guess it wouldn't be an "anolog" vocoder then
planetone says:
Jul 6, 2010. 8:04 AM REPLY Thanks for your comment; thing is, I really wanted an analog solution for this... otherwise, the easy solution would be to program it on a PC... less gear to carry arround!
cdousley says:
Very true sometimes nothing can beat analog effects.
FlorisNielssen says:
May 3, 2010. 1:50 AM REPLY I was wondering. I don't want stereo output from the vocoder. How can I achieve that? In the "Output mixer" image: Can I just combine all the channels on 1 wire, then insert that wire into the minus of a TL074 (or maybe TL072), like with the mono-out, with a 10K resistor going back from the output?
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pakman227 says:
if your trying to combine the two signals, may i suggest a splitter? instead of taking away the variability.
jonathan40 says:
May I ask what vocoders you investigated to base this design on?
planetone says:
Apr 29, 2010. 10:33 PM REPLY As stated in the last page of the instructable the design borrow ideas fron several vocoders. The Filter calculator provides by Okawa Electric Desigh, Concept of only varying caps for banks from the Okita design, patchable voltage controll from Elekvoc, and VCA design is based on a concept of Rene Schmitz, an analog synth designer.
planetone says:
Feb 27, 2010. 11:06 AM REPLY You can build it the same with as many channels as you want... but 1 channel will be just a band pass filter... not a vocoder
djmcflounder says:
The caps marked "C" in the analysis circuit...what are they? I'm guessing 0.1uF? If this is the case I would need 112x instead of 14x...(14x8), unless I've read something wrong, which I'm also good for. Cheers
planetone says:
Feb 24, 2010. 5:30 AM REPLY The caps marked C define the cuttoff frequency for each filter. Thus the values change for each channel. You must use the table (4th image on this page) to determine the value of these caps...
djmcflounder says:
Feb 24, 2010. 2:23 PM REPLY Thanks for the reply. I actually worked it out when I was at the electronics store. I think it was the 14x 0u1 caps that threw me on the mixer schematic. For some reason I thought I needed to substitute those values. Silly me. Cheers.
chirp-o-tron says:
Why are only 27 mono jacks needed. (I was assuming two jacks per channel for R and L)
kwon1001 says:
You don't have to put all these jacks, and just joint all Filter's Input with all Input Stage's output.
planetone says:
That is true... the jacks are incase you would like to invert, transpose, or sequence the spectrum.
rcakto says:
Jan 2, 2010. 3:01 PM REPLY on the "program input amplifier" and "carrier input amplifier" images we find the pots for volume of each but they are only conected to the inpu and output of the IC but where i will conect the 3 pin of the pot?? to the ground or will not be conected like the schematcs?? sorry my bad english...
planetone says:
Do as shown in the schematics... do not connect third pin anywhere.
audiophile says:
how much wattage do the resistors need to be able to handle? (i.e. do i buy 1/6 watt 1/2 watt....)
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JAZ97 says:
whats a vocoder again
planetone says:
It splits a signal into bands and applies the spectrum to a second signal. Very interesting effects can be achieved this way.
JAZ97 says:
ROK ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BACON!
dustin4321 says:
Jul 28, 2009. 12:50 PM REPLY This is amazing! Can anyone cook up a printable pcb? I just scored a laminator that is itching to make some toner transfers. Thanks very much for this Instructable, very inspiring
planetone says:
Dude, great comment.. I think I would cook one up myself... once I get a hold of and learn the software...
pfred2 says:
This is the software I use: http://www.cadsoftusa.com/
Done right I wouldn't be surprised that this circuit couldn't be done on the free demo copy. Really the demo limits make me design better boards! There are some tutorials online that should help you get up to speed on the program.
Oct 26, 2009. 1:21 PM REPLY I was thinking of cooking one up myself, but i don't have any experience with eagle either, and it would be great to have one made by the designer. the only thing is i would have to find a pcb drill bit.
pfred2 says:
Oct 29, 2009. 4:09 AM REPLY I have two problems myself fabricating PCBs at the moment. 1. toner transfer has never worked as well as I'd like it too. The stuff I've been using seems to like to ruin laser toner cartridges. 2. I can no longer buy the etchant I've always used anymore. Radio Shack seems to be just another cell phone kiosk these days. But I was just reading online that if I dump some hydrochloric acid into my etchant it may work better. That, and I've always wanted to do photo-resist anyways. Maybe if I think about it I'll do some Eagle files of this? It is not hard to do.
Oct 29, 2009. 7:58 AM REPLY You know I've never etched any PCBs. But I am wanting to try. Muriatic or hydrochloric acid and hydrogen peroxide is a good etchant I hear. It would be great if you could design a circuit board in eagle and share it. Thanks. www.instructables.com/id/Stop-using-FerricChloride-etchant!--A-better-etc/
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pfred2 says:
Oct 29, 2009. 7:29 PM REPLY Yeah I have the bottles sitting around already. Just haven't gone there yet myself. I've always had such good luck with ferric chloride in the past. I've done a few point to point projects lately and it makes me want to get back to etching again! If I do an Eagle board it is unlikely I will completely optimize the parts layout. That can take a very long time to do. But at least you'd have the files to mess around with. Doing that part is a lot like playing a video game. It reminds me of Pac-Man for some reason. Here is a 300 watt amplifier I just built that only can play one song. The POWER song! It is really a power supply. Note no etched boards :(
Oct 25, 2009. 3:43 PM REPLY How much did it cost to build, and where did you buy the components? Some place like Mouser? Digikey? I'm not sure where you are, but it sounds like you may not have a radio shack. I would really love to build this, so thanks for your work in the design.
Searchin4succubi says:
Do you have any higher res images for these schematics, their hard to read
planetone says:
Oct 13, 2009. 7:18 AM REPLY Click on the little "i" in the upper left hand corner. Also, I recomend you read all bitrex comments on an improvement he suggests to reduce harmonic distortion.
bitrex says:
Aug 20, 2009. 2:48 AM REPLY This circuit is just what I was looking for! One modification I think would improve the circuit is to use something like a LM13700 series OTA for the variable gain amplifier, instead of the voltage controlled transistor differential amplifier stage in the schematic. As it stands now, there will probably be significant harmonic distortion coming out of that stage as the large input signal causes the gain to vary around the quiescent gain set by the current through the 200K resistor. The LM13700 gets around this by dividing down the input voltage to a low level, using linearizing diodes to provide negative feedback, and converting the signal to a current which is more immune to noise. It would increase the cost somewhat, as they're each about $1.50 (for a dual unit).
planetone says:
Aug 20, 2009. 9:15 AM REPLY You are absolutely right, but here in my country OTAs are rare and either really expensive or have to be ordered. This is why I tried to use a single type of op amp. There was an even more elegant solution in the Okita Vocoder... a chip that would handle envelope following and voltage controlled amp called a compander (I imagine this chip to be awesome for analog projects like compressors and the such but had no luck finding it without placing an international order). To your knowledge, is there ways I could reduce the distortion (could you explain the quiecent gain issue a little) would attenuating the signal more help?
dsauer says:
Sep 8, 2009. 5:23 PM REPLY I am sorry to hear about your troubles with getting LM13700s. The die size is so small that today the package probably now costs more than the silicon. A die photo of the LM13700 can be found at my web site at www.idea2ic.com, and a die this size should cost only a few cents to produce. But designing ICs in silly-con valley has always been like living in a Dilbert cartoon. Things make semi-sense at best. Aug 21, 2009. 3:50 AM REPLY Basically, there are 2 possible sources of distortion in the design as it is. First, the 200k resistor is only an "approximation" of a constant current source, so the gain will vary somewhat with the input signal as the voltage at the emitters of the differential pair varies along with it. The more serious issue is that if the signal voltage coming out of the filter stages is higher than about 40mV peak to peak there will be distortion due to the following: Suppose the current through the differential pair is 1 mA at some control voltage level, so each transistor draws 0.5 mA. The Ebers-Moll model says that for each 18 mV increase in base to emitter voltage, the collector current will double. If the input voltage increases 18mV, then the input transistor is carrying 2/3rds of the current, and the other is carrying 1/3rd instead of 1/2 and 1/2. At 36 mV input, the ratio will be 4/5ths and 1/5th. Pretty soon the input transistor is basically drawing all the current it can through the "current source" and it saturates, or cuts off if the signal goes in the other direction. That's the cause of the major part of the distortion and why you want to use small signal levels when going into a current-controlled VCA. Fortunately both issues should be pretty easy to address. You can divide down the signal just by putting a resistor in series with the output of the filter and making a voltage divider with the base resistor you already have to get the millivolt-range input level you want. Then you would modify the output differential amplifier to make up the gain. The tradeoff of course would be extra noise on the output, but hopefully the signal to noise ratio wouldn't be too terrible. You could modify the control current circuit to make it a true constant current source just by adding a transistor and a resistor and changing a few component values. I'll see if I can draw something up over the weekend. I think (hope!) that making these changes could improve the vocoder's performance quite a bit - I'm self taught as well so I'm just learning along with everyone else. :)
bitrex says:
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planetone says:
Aug 27, 2009. 1:02 PM REPLY Thank you for this response, the information is quite helpful. I would appreciate your offer to draw up the constant current part as I am not sure how to go about this (if you find the time of course). I think it would be good to update the schematics in the Instructable to reflect these improvements. Thanx
bitrex says:
Aug 30, 2009. 9:46 PM REPLY Hi again, Planetone. I got some assistance from a more experienced engineer on another forum, and what we came up with is in the image below. Unfortunately making a good constant current source VCA without using an OTA requires a few more parts than I thought, but it's not too outrageous! Basically in the schematic, Q9, Q10, and U2 form a voltage controlled current source. This current is mirrored by Q6 and Q7 and used to control the gain of the differential amplifier, which also uses a current mirror as its load. Using this arrangement increases the transconductance of the stage and greatly improves the common mode rejection, such that the trimmer resistors probably won't be necessary. However, Q1 and Q2 should be matched and be in close thermal contact. Resistors R4 and R7 may need to be tweaked - since I don't know the voltages coming out of your carrier filter stage and modulator envelope follower stage. Basically you want to set it up so the circuit has unity gain for a carrier signal of the correct frequency when the amplitude coming out of the envelope follower stage is at its maximum value. Decreasing the value of R7 will increase the gain for a certain input control voltage. Adjusting R4 will adjust the "make up" gain, since the input signal has to be divided down to stay within the 50 mv peak to peak linear region. So for example if you use a voltage divider to divide down the input signal 100 to 1, 10k for R4 will boost the gain back up by 100. If the carrier input signal coming out of the filter stage is hot and needs to be divided down more than that, R4 should be increased.
planetone says:
Nov 29, 2010. 3:18 PM REPLY Hey, I know this is real old, but could you post a larger image for your solution here... just so that others have access to this fix.
bitrex says:
I'm sorry I didn't do this sooner! Stuff happened and I completely forgot...:(
The original circuit diagram wasn't done by me, and in looking over my larger copy I actually noticed a pretty significant error that would probably prevent the original circuit from working! I've made a few corrections and now have a circuit that should work properly (note I haven't actually tested this circuit in the project).
bitrex says:
Here is a direct link to a large version: http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd240/bitrex2007/VCA.jpg
bitrex says:
Sep 7, 2009. 1:26 AM REPLY I'll have to make a new drawing of this, unfortuantely I just noticed that the one posted here is for some reason showing up just too small.
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