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Indoalbanisches Etymologisches Wrterbuch

May be Illyrian may be Martian
What a shame! Unbelievable! Similar crap you can hardly find even by the most stupid folk- etymologist! Below is the excerpt from the so-called "Proto-Indo-European Etymological Dictionary", the book Abdullah has recently advertised. ______________________________________________________ [...meigh-, also meik[...Gk. dark derived from Alb. mje(r)gule fog, darkness [common Gk. < gw, p < kw phonetic mutation]; Alb. proves that from Root mer-2 ; *extended mer-ek-: to shimmer, shine derived the truncated Root meigh-, also meik- : to glimmer, twinkle; mist...] The above note is from the "revised" version of Pokorny's PIE dictionary*: ________________________________________________ My comment: Abdulah (as well as his mentors G.Starostin and A, Lubotsky) does not know that his is in reality, which means "living in darkness" (in fact + ; /tarnish, blacken/; life); cf. Serbian mrak, mrakina, mrano, mrko (dark, darkness, dusk): Such foolishness could hardly be expect from an average highschool student!

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On Jun 30, Abdullah Konushevci wrote a message in which he tried to conceal his own ignorance and the ignorance of his mentors - George Starostin and Alexander Lubotsky: "Stupidity, your name is Duan. Mixing Gr adjective amorbos 'dark', where /b/ is from *gW and -os is simple masculine ending of adjectives, pretending to connect it with amauros and further with bios, speaks for itself who the hell you are and what is your level of education on linguistics. But, I used to be attacked constantly from such outraged or manikos, if you like it in Greek, person. Simply, don't wait to answer on your provocations. I am feed-up from such kind of craziness. So, Hasta la Vista, baby!" The next they (July 1, 2007) I replied to Abdullah: "If Abdullah were not so uneducated he would understand that even MORON and MAROON belonged to the MURKY (Serb. MRKI dark or gloomy) sides of this world. "Have you had any decent Greek dictionary in you hands? Obviously not! If you had one you would not talk nonsense! If you read a proper Greek you would know it was not me who connected Greek and into the compound (living in darkness); + = : and is just one of the contracted forms of teh compound (cf. ); there is no man in the whole world (of an avarage intelligence) who wouldnot notice that. "Why did you put your prosthetic <R> between brackets mje(r)gule? Why did you not follow Demiraj who, without blinking, inserted <R> into the Albanian word 'mjegull' (fog, mist, haze). If there was a dialectal form of Albanian mjegull with the sound 'R' without brackets, why did you not mention it? Where is so-called Proto-Albanian form mergul? What happened, you do not recognize Demiraj as an authority in Albanian "science"? "I know, your task is to promote Shqip-Illyrian language and so-called Illyrian origin of the Albanian people. Nevertheless, you should be aware it has always been impossible to make something from nothing! Albanian mjegull is a clear borrowing from Greek (fog, mist): Greek OMIKHLE - Serbian MAGLA => Albanian MJEGULL. "Do you really believe you can insert a sound wherever you find it suitable? Are you so stupid to think that you can use your "magic rubber eraser" as you like? Haven't you noticed, this is a serious science!; and not your wanton hamlet's fair! "Finally, this ie book is not only Abdulah's shame; it is shame for George Starostin and Alexander Lubotsky who revised and recognized the internet edition of the "updated" and "modernized" version of Julius Pokornys Indogermanisches Etymologisches Wrterbuch. Both of them are bearing big responsibility for allowing Abdullah to diseminate his foolishness and blemish the name and work of the great scientist Julius Pokorny. I advise them (George and Alexander) to re-revise this book agian and save their own honor and honor of those (probably Soros) who financed them. Also, I think, George Starostin should think what his father would say about such a negligence and irresponsible behavior his son has manifested."

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Akumincum
Note: Illyr. PN Acu-mincum salt stone : Alb. (*aku - lio -) akull ice, sharp ice. Ger. Achel f. ear point, awn from N.Ger. aggel (with spirant. g) from IE *aku -l; O.E. wel m. fork, O.N. so-ll meat for (Gmc. *ahwala-, IE *ku -olo-); if here gallo-Lat. opulus common maple (Marstrander, Corr. Gmc.-celt. 18), would be placed IE *oku- olo- ; about O.N. uggr etc. see e/o-stem, about O.E. ar see s-formant; Welsh ebill drill, mbr. ebil peg, nail (*aku - lio -);

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Note: The mutation kw > p, b in Celtic tongues, Lat. and Gk. Balt *aus in Ltv. ass sharp, pointed , Lith. auta m. pl. coarse horse hair = Slav.*outa m. Thistle in Church Slavic st, Russ. osot . On account of here Toch. A cwe rough (Van Windekens Lexique 15)? see under *ku -s fast (sharp in the movement) . 4. With m-formant: The excerpt from the Indo-European Dictionary; Language Association http://dnghu.org/ _______________________________________________________________ Acumincum was the Celtic stronghold and it is believed that the Celts were those who named that station. Acumincum could not be translated as "salt-stone" ("salt-stone" is the Serbian name - Slan-Kamen) if someone believed it was the Latin name, but eventually "sharp- stone" ('acus' pin, needle) or sour/acid stone (aceo acere be sour). It is interesting to mention that Celtic Acamincum sounds almost the same as Serbian word Kamenac (a small stone). If it was a coincidence we must admit that such a coincidence is very unusual. Namely, if Acumincum was a compound word and first word was acu- (doesn't matter if it was akus or aceo) what the second part of that word meant? I think, there is no Latin word minci/um that will have the meaning stone. Of course, there are Latin words caementum (a quarry-stone, used for walls; cf. English cement) and cmenta (stone chips used for making mortar), both words obviously related to the Serbian word 'kamen' (Serb.adj. 'kamenit' stony). Now comes the most interesting part of this story: if the Scordisci (Celtic tribe) were the one to name Acumincum why the Celtic/Gaelic languages do not have a word (as far as I know) for stone similar to Latin cementum and Serbian kamen/ kamenac? Finally, if the Celts had word similar to kamen or cement, is it possible to find out the history of that word and see what language The man who wrote the above notation mentioned the Albanian word 'akull' (ice; akull doesn't mean "sharp ice" as the author tried to mislead his readers), a clear Latin borrowing (from gelidus via Common Romanian; cf. Romanian ghea), related to Germanic kald- and Slavic holod-. In fact, the man who wrote this part of the "improved" Pokorny's book, thought that he must somehow connect Albanian akull with the Latin acus (pin, needle); or acula (little needle), aculeolus (little needle, pin) and Slavic igla (Serbian igla /needle/, Czech jehla /needle/, Russian ; cf. Serbian klin /nail, wedge, bolt, pin/); if it was not possible otherwise why would he not use the well- known fact that ice might be very sharp when broken! ;-) However, this writer used the "holy" Pokorny's book to propagate his own ideas about Illyirian language and Illyrian origin of Albanian people. There are a lot of Serbian place names Kamenica. A dozen of villages and two larger cities in Serbia - Sremska Kamenica and Kosovska Kamenica. The whole Balkan area is full of Kamenica geographical names. Author of the above note seems to have really believed that Kamenica was an Illyrian toponym. Of course, he has the right to believe whatever he want but he has no right to pollute a great work, as Pokorny's Indogermanisches Wrterbuch is, with his folk-etymology's interpretation and overheated nationalistic dreams. As we have already seen, Latin, Celtic and Serbian (Greek also: , ) vocabularies possess the word related to Acumincum-Kamenac-Kamenica, with the proper meaning - stone, rock. Only language where such a word does not exist is Albanian. If the people who have revised this book were thinking about the credibility of science and their own credibility they would advise the author of these passages to draw back all his unproven and uncertain theries and hypotheses and would demand him to abide strictly by the well-known scientific methods and standards. ________________________________________________________

abhro- (*hebhro-) Page-5

Maybe Illyr. VN ', Thrac. PN '- : Alb. (*') afronj bring close, squeeze, afr near similar to formations of Ltv. blaizit squeeze, clash, hit : O.C.S. bliz, bliz adv. nigh, near (lit. adjacent ). The excerpt from the Indo-European Dictionary; Language Association http://dnghu.org/ ______________________________________________________ My comment: "Wrong! Albanian afroj, afer (squeeze, near) and O.C.S. bliz (Serbian blizu /near, nigh, close to/) have nothing to do with each other, because they are coming from different basis (afroj from BR-GON and blizu from BEL-GON). I wonder what "similar" Abdullah could have found between this two words. Albanian afroj may be compared with the Serbian words prii (from prigoniti; come closer) and prionuti (prijanja stick together, cleave; cf. German Freund, English friend, Serbian prijatelj, prijan, prika /friend/): once again Serbian prijanja (stick together, cleave) <=> Albanian afroj/afronj (near, bring close, squeeze)... Of course there are other cognates like Serbian prezanje/na-prezanje /pregnue (pressing), English press (from Latin presso, pressare); Greek (pressure, oppression); Serbian prignati/prigoniti (drive closer) and the great number of words in other IE languages,

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which are expressing the status of reciprocal action with the opposite directions." __________________________________________________________

Abdullah's trying to sidetrack the discussion:

"Cleansing the history through burning earth, a well-know strategy of Serbian Army, was judged as a crime against humanity. The same could be seen in your messages, cleansing the history through equation of Illyrians with Martians. You have no clue about l/r shift in many PIE roots, so what the hell do you ask from anyone to reply on your disgusting posts. I will beg moderators of sci.lang to save some level of decency, for VD and Alexander Lubotsky are two uncomparable measures." Konushevci

My answer was precise:

"I cannot see what the Serbian army has to do with your linguistic ignorance; stop complaining to everyone and try to be a grown up man.What l/r shift?; are we talking about Japanese kind of rhotacism? Are you suggesting that Slavic bliz- turned to be Albanian afroj or it happened the other way round. Both of the above assumptions, in connection with l/r shift, are wrong; maybe you have another (hidden) option on your mind. Blizu and afroj were born from different basis; are you really unable to understand it?" _______________________________________________________________

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Maybe Alb. (*aest-, *vesna, *visient) vjeshta autumn, harvest time (long summer): Go. asans harvest time, summer [common Alb. prothetic v- before bare initial vowels] hence Vesta goddess of hearth and its sacred fire was an Illyrian goddess, also Alb. vatra (*vastra) hearth with -tre suffix. The excerpt from the Indo-European Dictionary; Language Association http://dnghu.org/ ________________________________________________________________ My comment: "If I were following the Abdullah's way of thinking I could say that Vesta was a Serbian goddess, a reduced form of the Serbian ne-vesta (bride, not married, unleashed); from the Serbian verb vezati (tie, bond). If not from Serbian it could be from the English word fasten or even West. Abdulalh is somewhere inbetween because he believes that Roman goddess Vesta (Greek Hestia) was in fact West-Illyrian or, closer, West- Albanian female deity. Of course, quite logical, if Vesta was the goddess of hearth (fireplace), it must be connected to some of the words from the Shqip-Illyro-Albanian vocabulary... and of coruse, the word 'vatr' imposed itself in a most natural way. In fact, we are going to take the Albanian vatr (fireplace) in pluralform - 'vatra' -and "spice" it with the <s> infix. What we have achieved? VASTRA! OK. With the help of the special AlbanianwRRRenching tool, the unnecessary R intRRRuder will be removed and - VASTA is born! Finally, some fine ablaut-adjustment is needed before we could see, in all her brilliancy, the Shqip-Illyro-Albanian female SINGULAR deity - VESTA !! " ________________________________________________________________

Inat - Hunt - Enoy

English meaning: to drive, to overwhelm, harm Deutsche bersetzung: worauf eindringen, treiben, berwltigen, krnken Material: present *(a)i-neu-mi : O.Ind. inti, nvati, Imper. inuh, participle -inita- (penita- pushed, cut into ), penetrate into something, master , Av. inaoiti, Inf. anahe violate, hurt , ainita (from *an-inita by haplology) not violated, not painedly (from ai nas- n. Crime, sin, misfortune = Av. anah- act of violence, crime , in addition m. evildoer?),Av. intay- rape, injury; torture , O.Ind. in-strong; m. master ,maybe also ti-h f. plague,need; Gk. tremendous; maybe Alb. inati anger; ire; rage; dander; dudgeon; rampage;down;disappointment; malice; blood; rancour; rancor; pique; spunk; miff; temper; must.maybe here-in- in Goth. far-ina guilt, reproach, O.H.G. firinn sin, O.Ice. firn n. pl. the extraordinary (cf Weisweiler IF. 41, 29 f.), if original meaning (as in the Heliand) act of violence . References: WP. I 1, Feist 139/140. Page(s): 10 Indo-European Language Association http ://dnghu.org/ Page 35 ____________________________________________________________________ My comment:

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"Albanian word <inat> (anger, grudge, resentment) is the loan word from Serbian <inat> (defiance, grudge, anger); the basis of this word is the reduplicated primal basis (Gon); most simply, it can be connected to the Serbian word 'gonjenje' (driving, chasing) or English 'hunting'. Other cognate of the word 'inat' are the Serbian words 'junak' (hero) and 'junoa' (young man) and English 'young' (cf.English anger, Greek ankhein squeeze; Latin ango press thight, cause pain, strangle; Serbian 'uzano/usko' narrow from Serb. 'nagnati' press together or 'ugoniti' drive in, as if driving the sheep into the sheepfold); Serb. ganuti "feel the pain")." ________________________________________________________

aisk- ISKRA
English meaning: bright, shining Deutsche bersetzung: klar, hell, leuchtend Material: AwN.. eiskra rage before hot excitement , Mod.Ice. iskra also from burning pain. Lith. ikus, where beside zero grade O.Lith. iks clear, bright . Russ. dial. jska, demin. jsoka bright star , beside it O.Bulg. jasno adv. clear, bright,distinct, Russ. jsnyj light, clear, bright from *aiskno-; Pol. jaskry, jaskrawy blinding,dazzling, brilliant from *aiskro-; O.Bulg. iskra spark etc. from *iskr. Maybe zero grade in Alb. (*aiskno-) shkndij spark [common Alb. n > nd phonetic mutation]. Also Alb. zero grade (*jaskry), shkrinj melt, burn, participle *scrum > shkrumb ashes [common Alb. m > mb shift] loaned in Rom. scrum ashes. Russ. dial. jska, demin. jsoka bright star , besides O.Bulg. jasno adv. clear, distinct , Russ. jsnyj bright, clear from *aiskno; Pol. jaskry, jaskrawy brilliant, sparkling from *aiskro; O.Bulg. iskra spark etc. from *iskr. Here the FlN Ger. Aisch (Bavaria), Eysch(en) (Luxembourg), nEng. Axe from Celt. or Ven.-Illyr. *Aisk. Maybe Alb. (*aisk) eshk mushroom (when dried used to kindle the fire) related to Lat.esca -ae f. food, victuals, esp. as bait, References: WP. I 2, Trautmann 4, Pokorny UrIllyr. 70, 113, M. Frster Themse 839. See also: perhaps originated from *aidh-sk- , or from *ai-sk- in i- 4. Page(s): 16-17 Indo-European Language Association http ://dnghu.org/ Page 39 ___________________________________________________________________ My comment: "Slavic "iskra" (sparkle) and "jasno" (clear, bright) are not the offsprings of the same "progenitor"; it means that the root *aisk- could be the source only of the word 'iskra' (sparkle). What's happened in reality? Slavic 'jasno' (bright, clear) is the word which comes from the ancient Bel-Gon basis. 'Jasno' is a reduced form of the verb 'bljesnuti' (flash; Ger. Blitz) and 'obasjati' (lighten); we can throw the parallel here between Serbian bljesnuti (flash) => objasniti (clarify) => jasno (clear, bright) and German blitzen (twinkling) => leuchten (shine, flash) => licht (light); On the other side, Slavic 'iskra' was born from the basis Sur-Hor (Serb. sagoreti, izgoreti /burn, cremate, burn down/. The Albanian 'shkrinj' (melt, burn) comes from the same Sur-Hor basis (and thanks God, Abdullah finally put something right), and it is equal to Serbian 'izgaranje' (burning). Abdullah is also right here (although he is uncertain as usual; his maybeyes-maybe-no sanctuary!) when saying that skrumb (char, cinder; not ashes as Abdullah claimed; ash/ashes = hi/hira in Albanian) and Romanian scrum (ashes) belong to the words ofthe same origin as Slavic 'iskra' (sparkle) and 'sagoreti/ izgoreti' (burn)."

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aiu-, aiu- EVER; always; EWIG - UVEK

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"Let us compare Serbian adverb 'uvek' (always) and German 'ewig' (eternal). I hope we could agree that notion eternal is closely related with "always". In addition, we will see that Serbian word'vek' has the meanings 'century' (a period of 100 years) and "age" (lifetime). The other Serbian word, derived from the Bel-Gon basis, is the adjective 'veno', which has the same meaning as the above-mentioned German 'ewig' (eternal). Now it became clear that Serbian 'uvek' is the cognate to German 'ewig'. ;-)Abdullah is ALWAYS trying to find an Albanian word that could be suitable for a certain Pokorny's root. And it would be OK if it were not so compulsively done. In this case Pokorny found the Albanian word 'eshe, (tanks to Norbert Jokl; Zeitraum, span of time), but I cannot see how that word could be classified among the other IE words with the meaning 'always'. Maybe Abdullah could help me to understand this item better. As I told many times before, Albanian language was compiled from the surrounding languages, mostly from Greek, Italian and Serbian without any rule or system. It is the reason why the Albanian language is so difficult to decipher. For example. Albanian 'vjesht' means autumn and 'vejush' is widow. It is hard to say how this words suffered such a deep and unusual sound changes. Explanation probably lies in the fact that Albanian adopted foreign words according to the way they heard and understood it." __________________________________________________

pk-1, peuk- WOLF - VOLK

O.Ind. pccha-, -m tail, member, rod (kann *pu[k]-sko- sein); after dem buschigen Schwanz benannt, seems Goth. fah, O.Ice. fa, O.H.G. foha vixen (Gmc.-n), besides with masc. -s-: O.E. fox, O.H.G. fuhs fox etc.; Lith. pausts Tierhaar; Russ.-Pol. puch (*peukso-, poukso-) Flaumfedern, Daunen, feines wolliges Haar an animals (outof it Lith. pkas Flaumfeder), Russ. puistyj fleecy, dense, buschig, punj tovr Pelzwerk, Cz.-nsorb. o-pu (*puch), opy tail, Russ. opka, opuina edge (of Waldes), hem, Verbrmung. Pokorny Page: 849 And what to say about Abdullah's scientific approach? Commenting above Pokorny's root pk-1, peuk- Abdullah (or his mentors Starostin and Lubotsky) claimed that "Alb. suggests that Root pk-1, peuk- : (thick-haired, *fox) is a reduced root of older Lat. volpes fox, Gk. alpx a fox. Root ulp-,lup-, lup- : [a kind of carnivore (fox, wolf)...]*. My comment: "In this case not only that Abdullah forgot to denote the Albanian word (or whatever Albanian) that "suggest" something, but he also mixed wolf and fox with dormouse (small furry-tailed squirrel-like rodent) - Serbian puh. Although Abdullah can speak Serbian fluently (at school he has been taught in Serbian) he did not connect the name 'puh' (dormouse) with the Serbian verb puhati/puhnuti (blow) and adjective na-puhan (inflated, blown up). Logically, dormouse's tail and body looks like "na-puhano" (inflated) because of its "blown-up" fur hairs. The Serbian verb 'puhnuti' (blow, inflate) is cognate of the English blow (both stemmed from Bel-Gon basis) and we can understand it completely if we compare the meanings of English 'blow' and Serbian verbs 'puhnuti' (blow) and 'puknuti' (explode). "On the other side is volpe (Latin belua, English wolf), derived from the reduplicated Bel basis; and it means that 'puh' (dormouse) cannot be compared with Latin volpe (fox; Greek alopex). "It could be interesting to mention that Serbian word 'lopov' (thief, burglar; cf. volpe) has been derived from the same reduplicated Bel basis. Theft and burglary are the main practices of that animal (fox), including cunningness (Serbian lukav, lukavost) what is returning us again to the Bel-Gon basis; i.e. to Slavic volk, vlk, Greek lycos) Slavic volk (volf) is the word from the same source (Bel-Gon) as above mentioned puh (dormouse). "The final conclusion is unquestionable: root pk-1, peuk- is not and cannot be the reduced form of ulp-,lup-, but the fact is that both of these roots could be derived from the larger basis Bel-Bel-Gon, if we consider Greek alopex (Serbian lopina, lopua /thief/)... "Of course, this roots and different IE words for animals like wolf and fox demand much deeper analyzis, for to be exposed in all possible details. ulp-, lup- (*suilkW-) COW EATING WOLF Listen to this stupidity: "Maybe Alb. lop cow, (huge consuming animal; cow eaten by wolves), llup devour, llap tongue : Lith. lapenti to swallow food. Page 2737 dnghu.org; Pokorny 1179 _________________________________________________ My comment: "Interesting, cow has been named in Albanian 'lop' and, according to Abdullah's opinion, it is related to the Latin word lupus (wolf); on the other side, wolf is called ulk/ujk in Albanian. What a miraculous Sqip-Illyrian naming; something in style of Polat Kaya, the "famous" Turkish etymologist whose crankiness Abdullah mentioned recently,

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when he attacked me, safely hidden behind Cybalist "moderated" curtain. "I just wander why the Albanians did not name sheep in accordance with the Latin lupus/volpes; sheep is much more favorite pray for wolf/fox than cow - particularly a grown up one!"Using such a special word and sound-change "technology" there is nothing in the world that you cannot "prove". Associated with two others great scientists (G.S. and A.L.), Abdulah taught Pokorny that his root *lup- was derived from *ulkW- (most sanative kw => p Indo-Illyrian sound change). "Neither Abdullah nor his two soul-trading mentors were able to understand that Slavic volk (wolf) and lisica (fox) originated from the Bel-Gon basis while lupus (wolf) and volpes (fox) sprang from the reduplicated Bel ur-syllable. There is a Serbian word 'lupe' (thief, crook; also lopina, lopua, lopuina) which is obviously connected to Latin lupus (wolf) and Greek /alopekis (fox) and... in Serbian, the history of these words is clear. "I was talking many times here about the Bel-Gon basis and words like English begin and Serbian pogon, waggon, way, voziti, Weg, pulse and Serbian polazak (start, outset); In case of the noun volk and lisica the word obilaziti (resort, range, roam); hence obilazak (visit) => (b)liska => lisica (fox) => lija; on the other side, Serbian word 'obilaenje' (in sense of visit) can also be uvlaenje (prowling, move about in a predatory manner; from the sam Bel-Gon basis as 'obilaenje' visiting), uvlaka, volk, vuk (wolf). "In order to understand how interesting the development and history of a certain words can be, let me mention the Latin word veterinus (from vehiterinus; veho bear, carry, ride, pass), i.e. vehi-terinus is the same as Serbian "vuna ivotinja" (burden-bearing or pulling animal). Now we are coming back to the above mentioned "begining' and the words pogon, waggon, way, voziti, Weg, pulse... However, Slavic 'volk' is not a pulling animal although the Slavic "volk" name has been derived from the noun 'vlaenje' (vlak, volk, vuk, vuji)... "And, please, do not mix Latin fera with German Tier or maybe with Slavic 'zver', Swedish 'djur', Sanskrit 'tiryanc' (tiryan), dhrya (beast of burden)...

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ades-, adosIt seems Root ades-, ados- : sort of cereal evolved from an older root *hegh- a kind of grain . This root was suffixed with common -ska formant in Gmc. branch Gmc. *atisk- a-, while in Anatolian branch the root was suffixed with common PIE -tar formant. The old laryngeal (Centum h- > a-, e- : Satem h- > s- ) was lost except in Hitt. and Arm. Clearly Gmc. tongues borrowed the cognate from a reduced Lat. (*hattar-) adoris > Gmc. *at-isk-a-. Finally zero grade in Alb. (< adris) *dris, driz thorny plant, (< dris) drith grain where the Lat. -is ending has been solidified. The surprise is the phonetic mutation -gh- > -d- found only in Av. - Illyr.- Balt languages. _______________________________ *Above note is from the "updated" and "enhanced" Proto-Indo- European Etymological Dictionary ;A Revised Edition of Julius Pokornys Indogermanisches Etymologisches Wrterbuch http://dnghu.org/ - "revised" by George Starostin and Alexander Lubotsky. _____________________________________________________________________________ My comment: Latin ador -oris (grain, spelt) and granum -i (grain, seed). First, we must know that these two Latin words came from the same Hor-Gon basis; or more exactly, from the Hor-Goon and its inverted Gon-Hor basis (Cf. Serbian <okretati> turn, rotate, revolve and <koturati> turn, rotate revolve). Latin granum and Serbian zrno (grain) are a clear-cut "products" of the "circle" (Serbian krug, Latin cicino, corona). In Serbian, there are the words <okrug> and <kotar>, both with the meaning 'district'; equal to Greek <agros> () and Latin <regio -onis> (region). Now, if we compare Serbian word <jedro> (nucleus, core; from Gon-Hor basis) and Latin <ador> (grain; Gon-Hor basis aagain) we will be able to comprehend the whole scale of phonetic changes, which have metamorphosed inverted Hor-Gon basis in accordance with the demands of different (in this case Latin and Serbian) IE languages. Above mentioned Serbian <kotar> 'district' is known in the northern part of Serbia as <atar> 'area' and it sounds almost the same as Hittite <hattar> 'cereal'. These examples are showing that the notion of 'circle' (Latin

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cirkino, Greek kirkos/krigos, Serbian krug/kotur) has been very inspiring in sense of naming different things in different IE languages. Abdullah, as we can see from his above statement, tried again to introduce his Illyrian confabulation as an undeniable fact. Unfortunately, Lubotsky and G. Starostin helped him to advertise his national dream in their newest edition of Pokorny's PIE Dictionary. Namely, Abdullah is "surprised" by seeing that -gh- > -d- phonetic mutation "could be found only in Av. - Illyr.- Balt languages" (of course, an invented Illyrian is equal here to the compiled Albanian) . In reality, Albanian <drith> (grain) is a disguised loanword from Serbian <jedro> 'nucleus', 'core' or Greek <> (Lat. ador grain). On the other side, Albanian <driz> 'thorny plant' has nothing to do with the above "cereal" and "grain" words, because it was borrowed from Greek - <ternax> 'stalk of the cactus' (cf. Serbian trn, English thorn) ______________________________________________ Page 12

ad(u)-, ad-ro- (*heghero)* JEZEROJEDRO-JEZGRO

English meaning: water current Deutsche bersetzung: Wasserlauf Note: From Root ang (h)Wi- : snake, worm derived Root akW- (more properly ekW): kW-: water, river; Root eghero- : lake, inner sea; Root ad(u)-, ad-ro- : water current: Illyr. pannon. VN [common Alb.-Illyr.-Balt -gh- > -d-, -z- phonetic mutation]. From Root akW- water, river nasalized in *akuent- (suffixed in -er, -or) derived Root au(e)-9, aued-, auer- : to flow, to wet; water, etc. ____________________________________________ My comment: "What is the meaning of Abdullah's "common Alb.-Illyr.-Balt -gh- > -d-, -z- phonetic mutation"? Did he ever hear about the "common" Slavic kgh/czs palatalization? What a shame for Lubotsky and G. Starostin; they allowed one uneducated person to access Pokorny's PIE dictionary; doesn't matter if it was electronic edition. "Slavic <ozero>, <jezero> lake has its completely transparent etymology in Slavic languages and I do not understand that someone dares to say that such a word belong to some confabulated (non-existent) Illyrian. "I already told that Albanian name for lake (liqen) is borrowed from Romance <lac>, while the words like <vlagt> 'wet' and <batic> (tide) are loanwords from Serbian <vlaga> 'wetness' and <potok, potoci> 'brook, stream' (Serbian 'potei' run off water). The Albanian words <uje> 'water' and <shi> are specially interesting because in both words the elision of initial sounds ('v' or 'k') is clearly visible: Namely, Albanian 'uje' is Slavic <voda>, probably acquired via Serbian 'piti/pojiti' (drink; Albanian pi, pije => uje; cf. Alb ujk wolf and Slavic volk/vlk/vuk, v-ujko) while <shi> must be a shortened form of Serbian <KISHI> 'it's raining'; it means that Albanians misheard that Serbian word SHI instead of KI-SHI. Finally there is Albanian <sprkatje> borrowed from Italian <spruzzo> or Serbian <isprskati> 'splash'. We can see that there is not a single word in sense of water that Albanians inherited from their Caucasian motherland - just loanwords! "In my previous message I wrote about the Serbian words KRUG/KOTUR (circle) and I explained what happened and how 'kotur' became 'jedro' (nucleus). There is another Serbian word coming from the Gon-Hor basis - it is 'jezgro' (same meaning as 'jedro'); it shows that the ancient Gon basis was "laryngealized" and it first sounded as GoHn (wherefrom German gehen). Thus we have got GeHn-Hor => Ges-Hor => geshero (like Icelandic geyser) => jezero (Slavic lake). I would not be suprised if I hear that Abdullah is explaining words like Latin cezar and German Keiser with the help of his invented Illyrian and compiled Albanian. These words are related to the word 'hunter'... but about it next time

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Maybe nasalized Alb. (*an gas) nekon j, Gheg angoj groan, sigh, complain of pain, evil (*enq-); prove the link between Root agos- : [fault, guilt, blame, sin (damage, injury, sacrilege, evil)] and Root enq-, onq- : (to sigh, groan) [see below] Note: It is possible Root agos- (*hege-): fault, sin, *blood guilt is a zero grade of Lat. sangue blood, Alb. gjak blood see Root s(u?)ek?o-s : sap, pitch, *blood. ________________________________________________________ My comment: "First, Gheg <ankoj/angoj> is a reduced form of the verb <rnkoj> groan; and this word also lost its initial velar, because <rnkoj> is borrowed from Serbian <groktanje> (grunting), <graknuti> 'caw, croak' or from Italian <grugnito> grunt. "This words are a good example that can help us to understand the way in wich the Albanians were adopting the foreign words: often by elision of initial consonant and sometimes by removing the whole first syllable (for instance, Albanian <vlag> 'humidity' is a loanword from Serbian <vlaga> 'humidity' and <vlagt> and <lagt> are words with the meaning 'wet' /Serbian 'vlaan'/; Albanian <udhtoj> 'travel' from Serbian <voditi> 'lead', <udhheq> 'guide' from Serbian <vodic> 'guide'; Albanian <ujk> 'wolf' from Serbian hypocoristic form for wolf <vujko> 'wolf' (cf. Serbian surname Vujk-ovic); Albanian <grusht> 'fist', 'handfull' from Serbian <pre-grt> 'handfull' /from gruda, grozd lump: from KRUG circle/; most interesting seems to be the Albanian word <shi> 'rain' from Serbian <ki-shi!> 'it rains'; from 'kisnuti' - triplicated Gon syllable, like in Serbian 'nagoniti' (drive, to force); hence also Serb. <sneg> 'snow' and <snaga> 'power, force'. There is another Albanian word with the meaning groan, sigh - it is <krcitje> which additionally proves that above-mentioned <ankoj> and <rnkoj> are the shortened forms of the IE words like Serbian <krecati>, <kriknuti> 'cry. "Albanian <gjaksi> 'murder' is clearly connected to the Albanian word for blood <gjak> and it shows that this word has nothing to do with the IE root s(u)okW-o- (Serbian sok juice, juha soup or Latin jus): it means that Albanian <gjak> is related to other Albanian words: <gjah> 'hunting, prey' and <gjahtar> 'hunter'; the fact is that Albanian <gjak> was derived from the reduplicated Gon basis, as it happened to "Latin 'jus' or Serbian 'juha' (soup), but the logic here was different because Albanian <gjak> 'blood' is transparently connected to the other Albanians words referring to murder <gjaksi>, hunting <gjah> and <gjahtar> 'hunter'. "Latin sanguis is related to the Serbian word <snaga> 'strength', 'power' and we can see it via additional meanings of sanguis (blood- relationship, life-blood, strength, vigor); from Sur-Gon-Gon basis; sur-tong => strong; sur-nonga => snaga; sur-gnuti => Serb. suknuti (a sudden rapid flow, gush /water, smoke/; cf. Serbian kisnuti (get wet by rain) <=> suknuti (gush)

In one of his messages Abdullah wrote: "Dear Trond, As you may have noticed, I was very tired from some other non-pleasant posts. I will try to make some further explanation about some place, folks, river and personal names and from time to time to enlarge as much as possible the list. "Lets start from first entry: abhro- 'strong, mighty': 1a. Alb afr 'close, near', cf O.C.S. bliz (r/l shift); b. afronj 'bring close, squeeze', cf. Ltv. blazt squeeze, clash, hit'. I will add here freely Dardanian folk name (FN) Gal-abroi (Strabo, Geographica, VII, 3,18) as well as Illyrian FN Abroi and Thrac PN Abro-.*ab-/*ap- 'water, river'. 1. Alb am 'river, source', pl. emna, from *ab-no through -bn-/-mn- mutation; amull 'backwater' derived from *akWa:-/*agWa;- through the shift -gW- > -b-, -kW- > -p-, attested in Greek, Illyrian and Celtic languages, as well as in some Albanian derivatives, cf. Lat amnis 'river', Ir ab 'river' and Illyrian place name Am-antia/Ab-antia, RN Am-ar, Am-ana (Krahe, Beekes). It is to be notices m/b alternation like in other words. "Root *ades-/*ados- 'sort of cereal' evolved from an older root *heg'h- 'a kind of grain' through phonetic mutation -g'h- > -d- found only in Alb-Illyrian and Baltic languages, cf. Alb dardh pear, pear tree from *Heghord- with regular change -gh- > -d- from full-grade *ghord- and Greek akhrados wild pear Huld, BAE, page 48). Botanically is proved that Dard-ania was the most suitable region of growing of wild pear. There are many place names with appellative dardh pear in Albania and Dardania (now Kosova). So, till now, we have these

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material: ABROI, GAL-ABROI, probably ABRO, AM-ANTIA/AB-ANTIA, AM-AR, AM-ANA, DARD-ANIA that could be explained with Albanian appellatives afr-onj, am, dardh. We have as well gh- > -d- and gW- > -b- and -kW- > -p- mutation and m/b alternation. *** Yes, as far as I know, -gW- > -b- and -kW- > -p- is regular phonetic mutation on Greek, Celtic, Illyrian-Albanian, cf. Rom apa 'water' from*akWa:- or Dardanian Ulkiana (*wl.kWo-ana), besides Ulpiana or Alb umb 'small polwshare' from * from *unkW-ni, zero-grade of *wekW-ni (gW and kW - labiovelars). Regards, Konushevci My comment was: "Thanks Abdullah! Now I understand that the Serbian word 'luk' (arcus) is derived from the English loop, or... it was vice versa - loop is some kind of arc? "Thanks for explaining me that Latin volpe (fox) was derived from Slavic volk (wolf)! How else could I know that Serbian verb ''ulivati' (to pour in) came from other Serbian word with the almost same meaning - 'ulokati se' (booze); of course, we just need a famous Abdullah's Shqip-Illyrian law ulk => ulb; a miracle sound-change we have been waiting for millenniums! "Why do you not say people that Ulkiana is the name you invented yourself. Would you be so kind to specify the source where that, so-called Illyrian place, was mentioned under the name Ulkiana.Maybe you thought Ullikana, a Hawaiian tale! "Try to google it: Ulpiana 30,800 Ulkiana; 58 (mainly Albanian web pages); Books: Ulpiana 640, Ulkiana none(!) Abdullah: Try Ulciana. It was my tipo. My answer: "Maybe you think Portuguese province Luciana (prefecture Ulciana)! Again only Albanian web pages... [...Po ky fenomen, sipas mendimit tim, do t'i ket prfshir edhe emrat Ulcinium - Ulqin; Ulciana - Ulpiana t formuara nga fjala ilire ulk e ruajtur edhe n shqipen po si ulk, ujk..] Translated from Albanian: "But this phenomenon (wolf), according to some opinions, includes also the names Ulcinum - Ulqin; Ulciana - Ulpiana; from where the Albanian words like ulk and ujk were [allegedly] formed... Abdullah and other Albanian scientist are trying to say that Albanian word 'ujk' (wolf) is derived from a certain Illyrian word. Of course, Albanian 'ulk/ujk' is a clear derivative of the Slavic volk (wolf). Nevertheless, the name of this city (Ulcinj, Ulcinum) probably has not been connected with the name of volk (wolf). Ulcinj is well-know after its numerous (coastal) olive trees and it is more plausible that this city aquired its name in accordance with the Serbian/Slavic word 'ulje' (oil) or Latin oleum, olei; similar to the name Uljanik (island in Croatia, also known after its Olive production). "Finally, as we can see, it does not matter if Ulcinj (Lat. Ulcinum) has got the name from 'volk' (wolf) or 'ulje' (oil), because both words clearly belong to the Slavic vocabulary (or Latin - oleum.olei). "There is another possibility that Ulcinj was named by the Slavic word 'luka' (port), for instance, Serbian 'uluiti brod' (bringing a ship into a port; luka comes from uvlaka bay; uvlaiti => uluiti), but I do not know that Ulcinj ever was an important port town. ________________________________________

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Root gWherThe phonetic shift gWh > zj took place in Alb. alone as a typical Alb. phonetic mutatIon. Hence Slav languages borrowed Alb. (Illyrian) cognate in O.C.S. erav blazing , poar blaze.Maybe other Alb. cognates: zjej boil, cook, zi adj., m.black, burnt, (duplicated zez adj., f. black, burnt. Also Alb.Tosk zjarr fire, glow, heat, fervour : Rom. jar fire, glow, heat, fervour which proves the migration from Albania to Rumania after the Turkish invasIon.Lat. formus warm (Festus), fornus, furnus (*gWhorno-s), fornx oven (latter in a fem. stembe ing based on), fornix, -icis dome (*fornicos die Gestalt an Ofens habend); _________________________________________________________ My comment: What to say about Abdullah's, G. Starostin's and Lubotsky's insolence? What to say about G. Starostin's and A. Lubotsky's (un)wittingly negligence? Please my dear friends, would you mind to read again this Abdulah's unbelievable statement. He says: "gWh > zj is typical Alb. phonetic mutation... "HENCE SLAVIC LANGUAGES BORROWED ALBANIAN (ILLYRIAN) COGNATE IN O.C.S." ERAV blazing, POAR blaze."

"Slavic erav and ar are clearly and logically connected to the Common- Slavic root *gr or common IE basis Hor-Gon (Serbian goreti burn, Czech vyhoet burn down, Russian /garyashciy burning, Slovak horiet). Slavic ar and erav are the words that were derived from the lengthened basis Bel-Hor-Gon (Serbian pogoreti /burn down/; same as the above Czech vyhoet. It means that verb 'pogoreti' (burn down) gave the noun 'poar' (palatalization) and 'ar' was a product of the reduction of the noun 'po-ar'. Once again: POGORETI => POAR =>AR and its later derivation ERAVICA. "On the other side, we have no word in Albanian with the meaning of burning, that begins with velar except (as far as I know) hi, hiri (ashes). Ash is the product of burning and if it is derived from the IE root gWher- it means that it comes at the end of a logical process; burning begins with fire and ends with ashes. Only in the heads of Albanian (Shqip-Illyrian scientists it looks different - it starts in an inverted manner - first ashes and then fire! Albanian djeg - burn (a borrowing form Slavic/Serbian ega; this word is derived from reduplicate Gon basis - Serbian dagnuti, dagati, prodagati (poke the fire); cf. Serbian acnuti (sting /like a bee/; in sense of burning); there are a great number of similar Gon derivatives in Serbian like unuti, kucnuti, kuiti, uknuti, tuknuti/ taknuti/tui (all with the meaning close to English kick); Irish digh burn, Lithuanian dagas fire, heat; Serbian estok (furious, scorching); estoka vatra (wild fire), estina (ardor, fervor, zeal), ia (focus), iak/ika (ember) and hundreds of other Serbian words which are clearly and logically interlaced. Of course this analysis should also take in consideration words like German Tag, Serbian dan (day) and many others from different European languages, but I have no time for this at the moment. Nevertheless, above examples would be enough to understand that Albanian is the last language in Europe that would be able to help us to understand the history of any (single) Indo-European word. Why? Because Albanian is formed of loan words altogether... Greek, Latin (Italian, Romanian) and Serbian Albanian zjarr - fire (the word is borrowed from Slavic; there is no way that anyone can explain the history of that word in Albanian; If you do not believe me - please ask Abdulah - he will confirm my words). tym - smoke (loan word from Serbian 'dim'; also word derived from reduplicated Gon basis (see above-mentioned Irish digh and Lithuanian dagas burn, fire); in fact, dim came from the Serbian/Slavic verb 'duhnuti/dunuti/dahnuti' blow, breathe; disati (breathe);

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Abdullah wrote: "Aleta (Ptoleme II, 15) not identified. Same suffix like in royal Molosian name Alk-eta. Resemblance with Aletium in Apulia is striking. A town Halata is in present Monte-Negro. According to Krahe, the element al- appears also in city name Al-eva, Al-eta in Sicilia (Ptol. 3,4), Al-etius, Venetian person name; also Aletrium mons in Latium with identical suffix like Illyrian Andetrium (see below). Variant forms Al-ata, Nal-ata suggest that it may be related to PAlb nal-t high (place, mountain). So, the root is probably *H2el- to grow.(Pokorny 2. al- 26.)"

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My comment: "Abdullah probably never heard for a dog called Molosser (name derived from Molossia, a country once located in Western Greece). Molosser could be translated from Greek as Black Mountain dog. Albanian Malsor has the same meaning as Crnogorac or Montenegrin. "I would like to see what alchemy Abdulah has used to acquire the meaning 'high' from so-called PAlb nal-t; or it happened so because the Greek word /melas (black) was misunderstood by the Albanians, MELAS-ORO/S /- means BLACK MOUNTAIN in Greek and Albanian MALESOR's real meaning is not "highlander" but Black Highlander or Montenegrin. "Present Republic of Montenegro (Serbian Crna Gora) is a Black Mountain; the same Black Mountain exist in Macedonia (Skopska Crna Gora) compared with Melas-oro (also Black Mountain) in Greek. As we can see, only Albanians and Albanian language missed BLACK MONTAIN because of their inaptitude to understand foreign languages (in this case Greek) properly. "Actually, the Albanians adopted Greek /MELAS, "translating" it to their own 'mountain'. Finally, the logcial question imposes itself: if the Albanians borrowed the Greek MELAS (black) in order to name the mountains where they were allegedly born, how can anyone talk about about so-called Illyrian heritage in Albanian? "It means: had the Albanians been the true natives of Balkan they must have had their own (inherited) name for mountain. Malisors (Greek melas oro/s) are the Black Mountaineers; Crnogorci are the Black Mountaineers or Monte Negrins; Greek Melas Oros (Black Mountain; Kara-dag in Turkish) became Albanian Malisor (mountaineer); it is the way how the Greek word melas (black) became Albanian "mountain". "There is no borrowing from Albanian into Greek or any other language in Balkan, simply, because Albanians were colonized in Balkan during 12th century (in a small and negligible number). It took them a few centuries to become a real and recognizable nation.

_________________________________________________ Abdullah: "*ab-/*ap- 'water, river'. 1. Alb am 'river, source', pl. emna, from *ab-no through -bn-/-mn- mutation; amull 'backwater' derived from *akWa:-/*agWa;- through the shift -gW> -b-, -kW- > -p , attested in Greek, Illyrian and Celtic languages, as well as in some Albanian derivatives, cf. Lat amnis 'river', Ir ab 'river' and Illyrian place name Am-antia/Ab-antia, RN Am-ar, Am-ana (Krahe, Beekes). It is to be notices m/b alternation like in other words." Duan: "No, it is not truth! Compare Latin flumen, fluminis, and amnis and you will understand whence comes the Albanian river (emna); Latin fluminis - amnis; Albanian lum pl. lumenj => ame, emna. This words, both Latin and Albanian have nothing in commen with aqua or root *akWa, because they were derived from the same source as English lake, Serbian plima (tide) or Greek (lake); compare Greek (trough) and Serbian oluk (trough) just for a little brain gymnastics; Serbian plinuti (pour down), plimni (tidal)." Abdullah: Root *ades-/*ados- 'sort of cereal' evolved from an older root *heg'h- 'a kind of grain' through phonetic mutation -g'h- > -d- found only in Alb-Illyrian and Baltic languages, cf. Alb dardh pear, pear tree from *Heghord- with regular change -gh- > -d- from full-grade *ghord- and Greek akhrados wild pear Huld, BAE, page 48). Botanically is proved that Dard-ania was the most suitable region of growing of wild pear. There are many place names with appellative dardh pear in Albania and Dardania (now Kosova). So, till now, we have these material: ABROI, GAL-ABROI, probably ABRO, AM-ANTIA/AB-ANTIA, AM-AR, AM-ANA, DARD-ANIA that could be explained with Albanian appellatives afr-onj, am, dardh. We have as well gh- ..." Duan: Albanian dardh is the borrowing from Greek and you explained well the phonetic changes g/h => d. Do you not see that Greek akherdos, Serbian kruka and Albanian were derived from the same Hor-Gon basis or, to be more understandable, from the word which denotes CIRCLE (Greek , Serbian krug, Albanian rreth). And you are saying: "Botanically is proved that Dardania was the most suitable region of growing of wild pear." Using such childish logic I would also say that Dardani were Darodani (Slavic name Darodan) and in Sebian 'darodan' or 'nadaren' means 'gifted' ; in Bulgaria Darodan is "the one who was given as a gift" ( - ). Which one of these two crazy stories (your "pear-Dardanians" and my"gifted-Dardanians") is

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more plausible? Do you not see a difference between folk-etymology and real science? I am surprised that people (some of them are serious scientists or should be serious) on Sci.lang seem to believe in your Cinderella's midnight runaway chariot and lost shoo. Ridiculous! ______________________________________________________ Page 25

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Note: The old laryngeal centum h- > a-, e- : satem h- > s- in PIE; only Alb. and Umbr. and Slavic preserved the old laryngeal through Alb. h- > k- phonetic mutatIon. Alb.Gheg kinxh, tosk (*egh-) qengj lamb : Umbr. habina(f) of a lamb : Lat. haednus of a kid : O.C.S.: (j)agne lamb [common Alb. gh- > gl- > gj- : lith. gh- > dz- phoneticmutation]. Gk. (*agnos, abnos) derived from an earlier *abnos lamb [common Gk. W > p gW > b phonetic mutation, later b > mb > m common Illyr.-Gk. phonetic mutation] Gk. m. f., f. lamb; Lat. agnus, - , fem.-a lamb (agnle sheep stable, lacking suffix affinity with O.C.S. jagnilo place where the sheep lamb , a derivative of the verb jagniti to lamb"); O.Ir. an Welsh oen, O.Corn. oin, Bret. oan lamb (urk. *ognos with -gn- would have derived from *-gWhn-, not-*gWn-, in spite of Pedersen KG. I 109-bn; o- probably influence from *ouis sheep); O.E. anian, Eng. to yean to lamb, Dutch oonen ds. (from *aunn from *auna- = IE *agWhno-); O.C.S. (j)agne lamb (with formants-et- broadened around popular names of young animals), (j)agnc lambkins contain fullgradatIon. Or is placed IE *og(h)no- : to *egW(h)no-? Through the Gmc. and Celt. presumed voiced-aspirated also would underlie the basis of Lat. and Slav. forms, so that Gk. (at first from *) remains the only dependable indication in voiced-nonaspirated gW. If Umbr. habina(f) of a lamb could be explained from intersection from *hedino- = Lat. haednus of a kid and *abnno- = Lat. agninus of a lamb; f. as subst., lambs flesh, however, would point Umbr. b to voiced-nonaspirated. But maybe it has become gWh in Osc.-Umbr. to b. Note: Celtic Illyrian concordances: common Illyr. -gW- > -b-, -d- : Alb. -gW- > -d- phonetic mutatIon. __________________________________________________ My comment: Is it possible that nobody is seeing that Slavic (j)agne (Czech jehn, Russian , Bulgarian ; Serbian jagnje; Latin agnus) is closely related to the word 'oganj' (fire; Russian , Czech ohen; Serbian oganj; Latin ignis; Hettite agni). I am suprised that all "clever" minds on Sci. lang are not able (because of stupidity or something else) to understand that Abdullah (with the help of Lubotsky and G. Starostin) is leading every one here by the nose. 1) Is there anyone who is able to explain what Abdullah thought when he said that "Slavic preserved the old laryngeal through Alb. h- > k- phonetic mutatIon"? Did he mean that Slavic had to be grateful to the compiled Albanian for its own existence? 2) He is also talking about "common Alb. gh- > gl- > gj" mutation; is there any phonetic mutation that is not possible in Albanian? Which one of the Sci. lang wise guys could be able to explain (or comprehend) Abdullah's gh => gl "common" mutation? 3) Do you really believe that Greek 'amnos' came from 'agnos' via 'abnos'? Please, would you answer this question just to see how many fools we have on this forum? 4) No body in the world knows nothing about fucking "Illyrian"; the language that was presumed from a dozen of words that have reached our time indirectly - through Greek or Latin. Are you people without your own opinion and sound logic? Go and read ALBANIAN: The Language of God and you will probably be able to understand Abdullah's real intentions and Squip-Illyrian Paleo-Balkan dreams. [...As Darwin's theory might be referred to as the 'language of nature', the Illyrian (Albanian) language could be referred to as the 'language of god'...] 5) It seems that converted Slavs (as Konushevci) are showing more national zealotry than native Shqipetars. Abdullah's Slavic kinsfolk are spread across the continent - even in Russia. Look for yourself: [Konusevic] , . . " ." , 1993, 11/12, 4?10. T ? memoirs of him

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