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CEO @ Moov | 3X Entrepreneur with Exit to Jack Henry | Built the Digital Banking System Used by 12 Million Monthly Active Users | Making Embedded Payments Accessible for Vertical SaaS Companies

Vertical SaaS CEOs are constantly told they need to be a Payfacs to monetize payments. This is a terrible idea. Here is what that person on the other end of that advice isn’t telling you. 1️⃣ It will kill your SaaS multiple. Being a Payfac means you recognize payments revenue on your top line and clear 8 bps after expenses. What happens when payments revenue becomes 50% or more of your previously 90% gross margin business? 2️⃣ You will be in a tri-party agreement with a single sponsor bank, giving you zero negotiating leverage and control of your economic destiny. 3️⃣ There are big upfront costs that are hard to overcome without tremendous scale. Instead, you want to partner with Payfac on a rev share. A partner can give you 20% of top line as straight revenue, you take zero expense (legally you're a distribution partner), and you add 10 bps of 100% margin to your P&L. Being a PayFac without being a payments specialist literally makes no sense. Open invitation to prove me wrong.

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Ben Brown

Partner @ Flagship Advisory Partners: Insights-Driven Growth Strategy and M&A Advisory for Fintech

9mo

Our research indicates that it's not worth even *thinking* about being a payfac until you're doing $1B-$3B of volume, and it's not worth actually *becoming* a payfac until you're doing $3B-$5B of volume. I recognize this isn't a blinding insight: the number of true payfacs on Visa's registry has actually declined for the last few years as the number of "managed payfacs" has exploded 100x. Blue Horseshoe loves... embedded finance revenue without financial services regulation and operational complexity.

David Nohe

CEO - FinGoal | Exec. Board Director - Financial Data Exchange

9mo

Wholeheartedly agree. We built a payfac at Wellfit/Patolus despite that not being the primary value add of our tech. Added years to our roadmap and millions to our burn. Never again. Huge distraction for what made us special.

Colton Seal 🇺🇸 🦭

Global Accounts & Payment API’s | CEO & Co-founder @ Routefusion. League Champion 2024

9mo
Travis Dulaney

Risk & Compliance Management | Fintech | Banking | Payments | Advisor | Venture Builder | Speaker

9mo

Tell them Wade Arnold, set them straight!

Jonathan J O'Connor

CCO / High Energy Commercial Leader / Mentor / Results driven/ ABC

9mo

Thanks for sharing

Rod Katzfey

Chief Strategy Officer, PayCompass | Ex-Nuvei, Credorax | GA MALPB

9mo

It is important to stay in your lane and do what you are good at and partner with others that are good at what they do. So many ways to skin this cat and look at the evolution of payments and ultimately where this is all going back to the card brands with no outside noise.

Kurt Barnes

Director of Strategic Accounts @ Balance | B2B eCommerce, Marketplaces, Payments, Checkout, Trade Credit | Helping Enterprises Increase Sales and Cash Flow with Modern Checkout Experiences

9mo

^This. Wonder how much of this sentiment has changed now that we're not living in a revenue-at-all-costs type world (when margins seemed to "not matter")?

Dion Lisle

Ventures | Innovation | Networking | Ecosystem - Working across all of these vectors to drive value for Legacy and Startups alike.

9mo

Sure I am going to argue payment advice with <checks notes> a very successful payments entrepreneur, I had never thought about this, so thanks Wade Arnold for putting this in ink, so folks can think through their payment strategy when they are not the godfather of payments.

Movin Jain

Founder @ Skydo | Cross-border B2B payments

9mo

Fully agree, Wade! Payments is a specialist business that needs depth, and comes with its own risks and costs. No point for a non-payments company to go down this route. Partnerships ftw!

Yehuda Matar

Dad. Partnerships @ Jifiti. Budding Travel Addict. Current Expat.

9mo

Daniel Citron something to consider. Wade Arnold - where were you all this time!

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