Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Shyamal

Shyamal

Voice your opinion (0/0/0); Scheduled to end 05:24, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Shyamal (talk · contribs) - I am nominating myself for administrative privileges. Joined wikipeda at the end of 2002 but real interest came only on seeing the situation in 2004. My subject interests are restricted primarily to those areas in which I can see myself competent enough. Shyamal 05:24, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. You may wish to answer the following optional questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What admin work do you intend to take part in?

A: I would be most interested in articles that are not on anybody's watchlist and possibly in protection of good articles.

2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?

A: I have worked on several biographical articles such as Allan Octavian Hume and this is probably the most comprehensive material on the man at least on the Internet. I have also worked on top level popular faunal groups such as ant, bird, butterfly etc. I also contribute photographs and illustrations.

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A: I have not been in any major conflicts, and if there is any point that is reverted I make sure that I put across my position on the talk page and leave it at that. I have seen enough life and deaths to not take any of these seriously. I have always tried to use rational and civil approaches to dealing with any topic and do not see any difference in future approaches. I am however a big proponent of policies that are people independent, if there is a policy the system should enforce it. I am sure more conflict will help wikimedia evolve into better social software.

Optional question from TwoOars

4. Under what circumstances would you A) semi-protect B) fully protect an article?

If I saw persistent vandalism on good articles and featured articles from multiple anons, I would think of a semi-protect. I would also consider it if the article was currently under collaboration of a project. I would probably avoid full protection, being recently frustrated myself by seeing myself unable to work on Elephant. Shyamal 07:00, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

General comments

• See Shyamal's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.

• Links for Shyamal: Shyamal (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)

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Discussion

Support

1. Have often come across his name while browsing articles on butterflies and similar topics. He may not use the tools a great deal but is just the sort of specialist editor who could use the tools to work unobtrusively in his area without bothering others. Passes the "can be trusted with tools" criteria hands down. Tintin 06:55, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

   You are right in the sense that he can be trusted with the tools. I would not be willing to support a candidate that has the tools, but is not using them to the level that is expected of an administrator. The amounts of backlogs are increasing daily, and giving the tools out to those who won't use them seems a bit wasteful to me. –Sebi ~ 06:58, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

   The counter-argument is that rejecting him does not do anything to improve the backlog status. If anything, if he becomes an admin, he will be able to take care of the admin issues in his area (handling vandals, CSDs, deleting categories and stuff like that) and free up a little time from the external admins who may be doing that at the moment. (PS : Shyamal hasn't said anything about not working in other areas. It was may (possibly erroneous) assumption) Tintin 07:06, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

   Question for Spebi: How exactly is it a waste? What resources are being wasted when tools are given to those who won't use them often?- TwoOars 07:08, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

1. I currently don't see a need for the tools. Your article work is fine, but your last message in an XfD was 5 days ago, whilst your second last participation in XfD was on May 11. 117 Wikipedia space edits, mainly WikiProjects, just isn't enough experience. - G1ggy ^Talk/_Contribs 06:47, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I do not know about all the tools available, but the one that I do know about is one that I know I can use. I am not sure if XfD is the primary criteria needed for admins. I am sure that we need people for a variety of tasks. I also have some philosophical objections to the current RFAs requiring one to be a vandal fighter. It appears that by making the system susceptible to vandalism, we obtain an army of vandal fighters with a great sense of ingroup-ism. I would as above consider vandalism as a symptom to be cured at a root cause level rathern than at symptom level. (I see now that he XfD nominator for the article in question was you and note that my response may have upset you. Sorry if so, but I do keep a lookout for deletion cases that need more competence on the parts of editors/delete nominators) Shyamal 07:12, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Neutral

1. Neutral A good editor, but not really seeing a need for tools. Watching over pages that "that are not on anybody's watchlist" isn't really an admin thing in my opinion. I suggest working on the answers. Jmlk17 06:53, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
2. Neutral. Agreeing with Giggy's comments, but I must say your mainspace edits are impressive. I advise you to be more involved with the Wikipedia community. This means, participate in XfDs, etc. Plus, your answer to Q1 doesn't really show much of a need for administrator tools. Fix these things and in a couple of months you should be ready for adminship. Take care, –Sebi ~ 06:54, 9 June 2007 (UTC)