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Captive Prince 3
I have another post lined up which is basically real time quotes and reactions I had while reading, most of which can be summarized by "oh my god", but until I actually format that, uh, let us talk about this book because it is a book that deserves talking about.
There is a whole range of topics I would love to hear your thoughts on, and this is going to sound like a "discussion questions" list but I don't care because I really just want opinions, so:
1. SO. LAURENT KNEW THIS ENTIRE TIME, HUH. THIS IS - SO THAT WAS THAT. Throughout the entire book I kept flip-flopping between "Laurent actually knew" and "Laurent is totally lying about knowing and actually found out recently", until I finally believed that he really did know all along -- (I think) -- but given that, I still don't understand his behavior the entire way through. Like, I need a GRAND UNIFIED THEORY explaining Laurent's relationship with Damen assuming he knew - stating with why he kept him around, what was going in his had when they had sex in book 2, and why the sudden really abrupt switch in his behavior following his capture in Charcy - what, suddenly, changed?
2. And given the above, how do you read "the Akielon slave" from Laurent's chapter 2 POV?
3. What was the Regent's initial plan for Damen? And who initiated it? There are a bunch of layers and interpretations for it throughout the book, and I... don't remember which of them is true /o\ as much as we can know.
4. HOW IS DAMEN SO DUMB? HOW IS THE REGENT SO EVIL? HOW AMAZING WAS THAT FINAL REVEAL SCENE AT THE KINGSMEET?
5. "Auguste would have... stopped you." How did you interpret that "Stopped you"?
6. Did Laurent know that Paschal had the confession? And the contents of it?
7. Was Laurent counting on Damen [and maybe the others] coming for him, or did he really believe he was alone?
8. WILL THE NEW KINGDOM BE CALLED VERE-AKIELON? Akielon-Vere? Verielon? Akivere? Lamenland?
9. Because
dafna asked and I am so curious now, who will inherit them?
Some of these I have my own ideas for, and some... I need to talk it out to get a better grasp of. So basically all thoughts are welcome and I would love to know what you thought.
....all of that aside, please also feel free to basically flail at me over everything because that was my entire existence yesterday. THEIR EVERYTHING. THE FIIIIGHT. THE SEX (OMG ALL OF THE SEX). THE TENDER TREATMENT OF DAMEN'S HEART. THE BABYDRAMA. THE MOMENT WHERE DAMEN FINA-FUCKING-LY FINDS OUT ABOUT THE REGENT. THE COURTROOM ENDING. THE BATH-STABBING ENDING. THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THREE SHORT STORY EXTRAS. EVERYTHING = !!!!!!!!! x 1000000000. I am all up for just squeeing too.
(ps I am at work but will be HERE here in a few hours feel free to talk in my absence.)
ETA: By the way, saw this amazing fan-made trailer for Captive Prince - no spoilers for any book in the series, just gorgeous art.
There is a whole range of topics I would love to hear your thoughts on, and this is going to sound like a "discussion questions" list but I don't care because I really just want opinions, so:
1. SO. LAURENT KNEW THIS ENTIRE TIME, HUH. THIS IS - SO THAT WAS THAT. Throughout the entire book I kept flip-flopping between "Laurent actually knew" and "Laurent is totally lying about knowing and actually found out recently", until I finally believed that he really did know all along -- (I think) -- but given that, I still don't understand his behavior the entire way through. Like, I need a GRAND UNIFIED THEORY explaining Laurent's relationship with Damen assuming he knew - stating with why he kept him around, what was going in his had when they had sex in book 2, and why the sudden really abrupt switch in his behavior following his capture in Charcy - what, suddenly, changed?
2. And given the above, how do you read "the Akielon slave" from Laurent's chapter 2 POV?
3. What was the Regent's initial plan for Damen? And who initiated it? There are a bunch of layers and interpretations for it throughout the book, and I... don't remember which of them is true /o\ as much as we can know.
4. HOW IS DAMEN SO DUMB? HOW IS THE REGENT SO EVIL? HOW AMAZING WAS THAT FINAL REVEAL SCENE AT THE KINGSMEET?
5. "Auguste would have... stopped you." How did you interpret that "Stopped you"?
6. Did Laurent know that Paschal had the confession? And the contents of it?
7. Was Laurent counting on Damen [and maybe the others] coming for him, or did he really believe he was alone?
8. WILL THE NEW KINGDOM BE CALLED VERE-AKIELON? Akielon-Vere? Verielon? Akivere? Lamenland?
9. Because
Some of these I have my own ideas for, and some... I need to talk it out to get a better grasp of. So basically all thoughts are welcome and I would love to know what you thought.
....all of that aside, please also feel free to basically flail at me over everything because that was my entire existence yesterday. THEIR EVERYTHING. THE FIIIIGHT. THE SEX (OMG ALL OF THE SEX). THE TENDER TREATMENT OF DAMEN'S HEART. THE BABYDRAMA. THE MOMENT WHERE DAMEN FINA-FUCKING-LY FINDS OUT ABOUT THE REGENT. THE COURTROOM ENDING. THE BATH-STABBING ENDING. THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THREE SHORT STORY EXTRAS. EVERYTHING = !!!!!!!!! x 1000000000. I am all up for just squeeing too.
(ps I am at work but will be HERE here in a few hours feel free to talk in my absence.)
ETA: By the way, saw this amazing fan-made trailer for Captive Prince - no spoilers for any book in the series, just gorgeous art.

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I HAVE SO MANY FAVORITE LINES. "I'll be jealous when you marry your Petran princess."
"You came."
"You knew I would."
"Laurent was beside him. Aloof, untouchable Laurent was beside him, kneeling on the wet marble hundreds of miles from home, with nothing in his eyes but Damen."
THE SEX OMG ALL THE SEX. It was so good. ALL OF IT WAS SO GOOD.
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I believe he did have true feelings for Jokaste, but I don't think him falling for Laurent is in any way transference for them - like, whatever, Damen has a thing for fair-skinned blue-eyed blonds, multiple kingdoms are aware of this, but him falling for Laurent came from the journey they went through together, and his feelings for Laurent are certainly uniquely, intensely, his.
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sorry i just. i have nothing coherent to say, just laughter <3
more seriously, i feel like i read everything in a single breathless gulp and now if i'm going to say anything intelligent i'm going to have to go back and re-read.
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I definitely need to reread - both this book, and then the whole trilogy in light of all the new information. IT WILL BE A WEEKEND.
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1) This didn't surprise me? Laurent knowing all along is sort of like "Snape is secretly not evil" for me -- I just assumed it would be true, because it makes the most sense dramatically. That said, I agree w/ you that he seems to abruptly change post-Charcy -- or at least that I feel like there was probably another chapter somewhere that explained the progression and it got edited out for space reasons.
3) I think the canon is supposed to be that Kastor wanted to kill Damen, Jokaste convinced him to send him as a slave instead (to save him? I'm slightly dubious that she's as good as Laurent wants to think there) and so the Regent doesn't have a plan so much as he figures it will stir shit up, so whatever.
4) Damen is so, so dumb. I mean, I get that it made for a great climax at the Kingsmeet, but he seriously never got the abuse revelation until then? REALLY? I know Laurent said the line ends with him, but if the only genetic contribution to whoever inherits the throne comes from Damen, her or she is going to be overthrown in about 20 minutes.
6) That seemed very deus ex machina. I fucking *loved* that it turned out the wife was the witness all along, and so I assume Laurent did know about the doctor (or at least that he knew something) and that's why he was also brought along, but the writing sort of dropped off there a bit, I think, in favor of the deus ex machina moment.
7) Pretty sure he thought he was going to die at that point. Laurent's seemed pretty ready to die a few times.
9) I'd forgotten there were short stories coming. Maybe one will explain this? I think the best case scenario is Laurent's second cousin or something turns up from a neighboring kingdom where she's been hanging out and she has sex with Damen (with Laurent present and providing commentary) and that kid inherits.
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BUT YOUR IDEA IS AWESOME TOO I CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE Damen doting over a kid who has their mixed genes.
I'm sure there are other possibilities, and I will ponder them all at length.
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And Alternatively to a 'surprise baby!Laurent':
Jokaste and Kastor's child seems fairly easy, especially if they pass him off as Damen's. It seems unlikely that that the story of that child and his parentage would just disappear, given the way this story unfolds.
Nikandros/his heirs could inherit? Or someone from one of the border lands between Vere and Akielon.
But I think a child that's either one of theirs (or passed off as one of theirs/Auguste's) is the most likely. I think they'll be able to forge enough of a bond between the countries that by the time their child would inherit, things will be stable.
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Definitely, DEFINITELY yes, that is not even a question to me ha. And - kind of for Laurent's own mental health, I don't actually want him to have his own child really, I would respect his wishes there. Anyway in my mind there is a whole tribe of Vaskian babies that Damen fathered somewhere out there (maybe even with a Vaskian princess! WHO KNOWS that child could be DOUBLE ROYALTY) so maybe they can adopt one of those.
Jokaste and Kastor's child seems fairly easy, especially if they pass him off as Damen's.
I don't think they'd even need to do that. Clearly bastards can rule in Akielon, and since he has no other siblings, with no kids of his own I assume his nephew would be next in line.
Ha there was a point I thought Nikandros could just end up ruling Akielon, and Damen would join Laurent up in Vere, and all would be well. They could always just not have kids and then like adopt Nik's child at 40 as a formality for inheritance's sake.
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I'd totally forgotten there was that random tribe of women Damen had sex with that one time (was that book 1 or 2?). I actually like the idea of Damen being too dumb to think about the inheritance and then a few years later Laurent surprises him with a pack of sons he's been carefully monitoring from afar.
I mean, yes, it could just be Kastor's nephew, but the fic possibilities of Laurent having various plans and Damen being oblivious are endless. Though making Nikandros' line the heirs is a sensible idea too, if somewhat less likely to lead to hilarious scenes of Damen and Laurent as dads.
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It's weird, I find myself googling all sorts of historical RL laws about various things to do with inheritance in this universe when, you know, fictional universe, we can make it anything we want to. For example: they can change the laws so that the oldest child can inherit and voila, the danger of royal fratricide is averted!
PS - I am still not entirely convinced the child is Kastor's! Like, if one wanted to, one could definitely believe she said it was Damen's so he'd being her back to Ios, and then said it was Kastor's to put the child in less danger than it would have been had Damen, the Regent and Kastor all believed it was Damen. So ficwise, I could definitely see it go both ways.
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If he's 100% sure it isn't his, he could still even raise it own, since the kid has some amount of royal Akielon blood. Or he could off Jokaste, claim the kid as his own, and no one would ever be the wiser.
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But hey, you know what, Amazon tells me this book is fantasy and I've yet to encounter too much proof of that so far, but I am all for having that proven wrong. Perhaps there is a fountain beyond the eastern mountains where Kings and Queens travel and pray for fertility, and Damen and Laurent set off to honor this sacred tradition, take a drink from the fountain, and what do you know NINE MONTHS LATER.
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3) Yeah, that seems to be the one that makes sense. Following some convos, I am inclined to think that Jokaste really did love him and send him away to save him; she wouldn't be the only one who's used that method ('The Training of Erasmus'), and it wouldn't be the sole reason for her actions, but rather her next step after she makes the choice to get close to Kastor in order to survive.
4) Haha this is true and yet all that said, I'm so glad he found out when he did because that scene was amazing.
7) This is the interpretation I'm going with! I really want him to have thought he was all alone, just like he was in chapter 2, just like he's been for the past six years, and then. <3___<3
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#2: Given that I think he knew, I think Laurent referred to Damen as a slave in his inner dialogue for two reasons: to remind himself that he can't let it slip that he knows who Damen is, and because he doesn't want to think of Damen as his brother's killer, and referring to him as Damen would remind him of that.
Basically, I took it to be an internal deceit designed to further all of his plans.
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#2 I'm not sure it was to not let it slip; he was hiding the fact that he knew Damen's identity for his own sake, not to protect Damen or anything - but it seems more and more to me like Laurent is purposefully distancing himself from Damen every way he can, like - just pushing away. The Akielon slave = that man meant nothing to me.
Kay's thoughts 1/?
(Anonymous) 2016-02-03 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)So. I did a full reread of books one and two last night (I’m a fast reader and I skipped a lot of slow scenes) after I finished book 3 and I have a theory on this!! I was reading specifically to see if I could find hints that Laurent knew. Here what I got:
Book 1
a. I definitely think he did know right away. I don’t have my kindle with me, but in the scene where Damen is presented to him for the very first time, Laurent’s face goes white enough and shocked enough that Damon notices, before Laurent quickly stamps that down and affects a bored kind of look-over. Laurent sends him away at first, too, and then suddenly says “wait,” and asks him to speak. He can’t turn down this chance to get to hear his brother’s killers voice; it’s probably a morbid curiosity. Maybe he is already plotting all the ways he can get revenge.
b. Then, that night, Laurent gets, again, noticeably drunk enough that Damen picks up on it. I made sure to confirm this, because in book 3, Damen says “You were drunk the night you got me,” and Laurent very clearly says “Yes, because of you.” Compared to all the other evidence of how Laurent comports himself, I have a hard time imagining any other slave in the entire world would inspire those reactions
c. Then, there is a very clear period of Laurent being VERY AWFUL. The arena with Govart, the beatings, etc. He knows he has to keep Damen alive for his own life (his uncle’s commands) but tries to make him miserable as possible. I think the bath is a test designed, purposefully, to show himself exactly how bad Damen is because Damen had surprised him with the remark about raping children, and Damen fails it spectacularly, so Laurent can have him “killed” and not feel bad about it
d. This is when it gets interesting. I think Laurent is torn up for most of book 1 because he hates Damen and what he did, and his uncle is forcing him to keep him around, but he keeps seeing these little signs of decency (the whole protecting slaves thing and Damen saving his life)
e. Also, I wish I had my book with me, but there are a couple scenes where Laurent is pretty clearly probing to get at information about Kastor that seem too pointed
f. Oh! And Laurent really does NEVER say the name “Damen” in either book one or book two. I think it hits too close to home.
g. I think he was planning to leave Damen and be rid of him, but then changes his mind at the very last minute because he doesn’t want to leave such a strong weapon in the hands of his uncle, and he really does think that Damen might help keep him alive
Re: Kay's thoughts 1/?
(Anonymous) 2016-02-03 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)Book 2
a. for the beginning of book 2, I think Laurent is making the calculated decision that for the moment he can work with Damen because Damen is a key tool. I think to do so, he has to actively reframe his perspective. Damen, even if he is his brother’s killer, for the moment is LAURENT’S SLAVE. There are so many references to him being Laurent’s slave, and needing to be obedient, even while Damen is doing so much more than that, and I think that Laurent convinces himself it’s okay to let his guard down, as long as Damen is playing that particular role, as his tool. A lot of times when they’re starting to get intimate in talking, Laurent almost uses “attend me” to reiterate this role.
b. Even later, he’s Laurent’s “Captain” or Laurent’s “brute” or Laurent’s “barbarian”. Laurent starts using names to describe him in book two, but none of them are actually the name “Damen”. They are all classifications of his worth to/compared to Laurent. It’s such a Laurent decision actually- at first, it Damen being around probably makes him very uncomfortable, but his comfort isn’t as important as WINNING.
c. Damen proves his worth, and proves his trustworthiness over and over again—giving good advice, working hard, etc. (I almost wonder if Laurent delays on Govart on purpose as a test to Damen) and I think Laurent gets more and more confident in his choice—it’s okay that he’s spending time with his brother’s killer because it’s keeping him alive. Here’s evidence of that from your recap, which I have open in another tab: “I can assure you, the pride I have invested in beating my uncle far outweighs the feelings I hold on any other account."
Also from your primer: "I don't think I would have arrived here without your help, at least not without being followed. I am glad you came. I meant that.
d. Oh! Another piece of evidence from your primer. Right before this:
"They say--they said--he was the best fighter in Akielos. I thought, if I was going to kill
someone like that, I would have to be very, very good."
Laurent was saying something else to Damen about Damianos. And he actually cuts himself off, and pauses, and says it differently. I thought that was critical.
And
"I've never seen a throw like that," said Laurent. "I've never seen anything like it. Every time I see you fight, I wonder how it is Kastor got you in chains and onto a ship to my country."
(both seem too pointed not to be Laurent knowing)
e. I think Laurent really buys into this Damen as a tool, thing. And it’s a mistake, because while he’s thinking of Damen in this particular framing, he starts falling for him. You can’t turn off trusting someone, or liking them. There’s this whole period where he’s letting himself lean on Damen, because Damen can help him, where they have this exhilarating chase, and Damen almost gets himself killed because someone touched Laurent, and Damen goes around all sexy and oiled and partially clothed in furs, and Damen wins him battles!! where Laurent is letting his guard down
f. The WHOLE conversation about the “king-maker” reeks of Laurent knowing to me, as an aside. He’s comforting Damen, because it’s something he can give Damen as a thank you for helping him
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(Anonymous) 2016-02-03 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)h. Also, Damen is STARING at him, both when he enters the room while Laurent is being undressed, and later in the banquet hall. He’s had signs for weeks that Damen wants him “control yourself” Laurent said, back in the tavern, when they were in disguise. I think at this point, Laurent has known he wants Damen back for a while (at least since they were in the tent together the eve before the battle), but has been willfully resisting.
i. Then, Damen kisses him on the balcony. And he’s so slow and romantic about it. So respectful. At that point I think it’s already a losing battle for Laurent to deny his feelings.
j. But the interruption gives him space to think, to remember who Damianos is. That’s where the angry, desperate handjob comes from. That’s not only his frustration about the betrayal in his troops, but his vivid realization of who it is that he wants to bed; who he’s probably in love with. He makes it okay in his mind in two ways: one, he clarifies. He makes Damen say, “I’m leaving tomorrow”, and two. He’s so cold, so ruthless that first time.
k. Except when Damen comes, their eyes lock. And I’m pretty sure that what Laurent sees is how much Damen loves him. And he caves. He keeps emphasizing, this is over in the morning. You can practically feel how he gives in, and wholly embraces their time together, because in the morning, he’ll put an end to it, and Damen will go
l. Then, his uncle shocks him, and he asks Damen to stay for just three more days. But it’s just so that Damen can help him come up with a final plan. And they don’t touch.
ALL OF THIS TO SAY. That I think Laurent had very careful ways he thought of Damen throughout the first two books. He doesn’t ever use his name. He refers to him by classifications of his strength/his worth to Laurent. He gives in (because he’s in love) at the end of book two, but I think he truly believes that it will be the only time, and he makes that exception because he can’t say no to Damen and the way Damen is looking and him and because he’s exhausted and drained. (and because I think part of him wants to erase his uncle’s hold on his body and he trusts Damen to do that)
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(Anonymous) 2016-02-03 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)With the caveat that I have only read book three once, and it was in brief glances while I was at work, compared to obsessively reading the other two, three times in a week. The change, after Charcy, I think is that Damen is now UNDENIABLY DAMIANOS. He’s in full regalia. He’s being bowed to. He’s talking and acting differently. Laurent can’t keep lying to himself- can’t keep pretending Damen is anything else. His period of exception is over.
So he keeps trying to push Damen away “You could’ve just ASKED me” Damen says after Damen gives up Delpha?. He rubs in the slave. He’s so furious and upset at a lot of things during the fight, and playing dirty. I think the fight is where he starts to really come to terms with who Damen really is, that and Marlas. Laurent is willfully trying to make Damen stop loving him and fall out of love himself, and just have a careful Alliance.
…and he hates it. He admits that, when he’s drunk. “I miss you. I miss our conversations”.
Then the first time they kiss/have sex again is after the baby revelation. Damen is so vulnerable. He’s miserable. I think Laurent can’t stay away, not when someone he loves looks like this, and is saying such tender, romantic things to him.
And it’s either this sex scene, or the very next one, where Laurent says Damen’s name for THE VERY FIRST TIME. He finally, finally, is able to see Damen for who he is, and be with him at the same time.
You asked:
And given the above, how do you read "the Akielon slave" from Laurent's chapter 2 POV?
I think he thought Damen was going to die because he got captured and he was trying to lessen the blow to himself. OR that he was just so used to thinking of Damen that way, that when he was tired (and hadn’t yet seen DAMIANOS with an army) it was still easy to do.
SORRY. THIS WAS VERY LONG.
Re: Kay's thoughts 1/?
The change, after Charcy, I think is that Damen is now UNDENIABLY DAMIANOS. He’s in full regalia. He’s being bowed to. He’s talking and acting differently. Laurent can’t keep lying to himself- can’t keep pretending Damen is anything else. His period of exception is over.
Yes, and this also comes at the tail of Laurent's latest experience, which is - his men slaughtered, himself captured and beaten and stabbed, resigned to the fact that his uncle has, in the end, won. And then he manages to claw his way out of captivity, rescue himself, but that whole ordeal cements I think that he is all alone in this campaign - he might have had Damen at his service for a while there because they shared a purpose and, he thinks, Damen had more to lose by leaving so he remained his slave - but in the end it's just coming down to him vs his uncle, let's not pretend he has any real allies or friends here - which makes it even more important to push Damen away.
(BY THE WAY, let me quote one more line you didn't mention, from book 2:
"I'm not going to use the knife," said Damen, "but if you're willing to put it in my hand, you underestimate how much I want to."
"No," said Laurent, "I know exactly what it is to want to kill a man, and to wait."
Of all of the reasons people theorized Laurent knew, that line is probably my favorite ;____; <3)
Re: Kay's thoughts 1/?
(Anonymous) 2016-02-03 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)"he is all alone in this campaign - he might have had Damen at his service for a while there because they shared a purpose and, he thinks, Damen had more to lose by leaving so he remained his slave - but in the end it's just coming down to him vs his uncle, let's not pretend he has any real allies or friends here - which makes it even more important to push Damen away." OWWWWW NO WHYYYY
OMG. another question you asked above- what if the trial was ONE FINAL TEST. Laurent thought-hoped- Damen would come, but he had to know for sure. If Damen came, Laurent would know, once and for all that Damen loved him and they had a future. If not, Laurent would be dead and nothing would matter??
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"I miss you," said Laurent. "I miss our conversations."
REREAD THAT SCENE I PROMISE YOU WILL BE HORRIFIED.
what if the trial was ONE FINAL TEST.
Hmm, I don't think that it was. There's too much at stake here for this to be some kind of test of Damen's love or loyalty; Damen certainly proved it when he showed up, but I don't think Laurent set out to make him prove it.
I really hope he didn't know - I hope he sacrificed himself for real, because he wanted to save Damen's life, and that he was shocked and touched when Damen came, when they all came, these people, old friends* and new, for him. And that they actually managed to pull it off (this being Damen's plan and not a military one, I think we were all surprised.) And this being in complete contrast to his first capture, in the dungeons of Fortaine.
*I KNOW JORD AND PASCHAL ARE HIS ONLY TWO FRIENDS AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN FRIENDS BUT ROLL WITH ME
Re: Kay's thoughts 1/?
(Anonymous) 2016-02-03 10:30 pm (UTC)(link)That is a horrifying thought. I very briefly had it too, not necessarily about that particular line, because he still was pretty consciously talking to Damen, at least in my mind. but you freaked me out enough again a second time that I went back to it.
[“Damen found a water pitcher and poured water into a shallow cup that he brought to the low table by Laurent’s bed. Then he emptied the fruit bowl of fruit and put it on the floor alongside, to be used as a drunk soldier might use an empty helmet.
‘Laurent. Sleep it off. In the morning, you can punish us both. Or forget this ever happened. Or pretend to.’
He did all of this quite adeptly, though he found that before he poured the water it took him a moment to catch his breath. He put both his hands on the table and leaned his weight on it, only a little breathless. He put Laurent’s jacket over a chair. He closed the shutters so that the morning sun would not intrude. Then he made his way to the door, turning once he reached it for a last glance at the bed.
Laurent, falling through scattered thoughts into sleep, said, ‘Yes, uncle.”]
There's a lot here, that happens, between their earlier banter and that line. I read it as Laurent fell asleep while Damen was dawdling, and because he was drunk he had those awful drunk dreams you had, and he was thrown back into times with his uncle. There's a good time gap between the two. If that helps!!
Re: Kay's thoughts 1/?
(Anonymous) 2016-02-03 10:44 pm (UTC)(link)I'm going to choose to believe that this dialogue exchange is so close that Laurent can't be confused yet instead.
[Damen took a step back, said: ‘Now you can say you were served by the King of Akielos.’
‘I could say that anyway.’
Lamp-lit, the room was filled with orange light, revealing its simple furnishings, the low chairs, the wall table with its bowl of fresh-picked fruit. Laurent was a different presence in his white undershirt. They were gazing at each other. Behind Laurent, the light concentrated on the bed, where oil flamed in a low, burnished container, and illumination fell on tumbled pillows, and the carved marble base of the bed.
‘I miss you,’ said Laurent. ‘I miss our conversations.”]
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(lololol on the one hand I loved the "Yes, uncle" line because it is SO, SO PERFECT, and on the other I hate it because the next chapter starts with "Damen was smiling" and you're just like -- HOW. WHYYYY. LAURENT HOW DID YOU FALL IN LOVE WITH SUCH AN IDIOT.)
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(Anonymous) 2016-02-04 01:15 am (UTC)(link)Okay, Kindle highlighting that is evidence:
I found the exact line I'd highlighted in book one:
"Laurent had stopped dead the moment he had seen Damen, his face turning white as though in reaction to a slap, or an insult."
And book two:
(laurent finally apologizing for being a dick) ["but I would not treat you that way again. I was angry. Angry, that isn’t the word.’]
[‘I was never a fighter,’ said Laurent. ‘That was Auguste. But after Marlas, I was obsessed with . . .’ Laurent stopped. Damen could see the moment when Laurent decided to continue. It was deliberate, his eyes meeting Damen’s, his tone subtly changed.]
[‘That’s right, I’m still captured,’ said Damen. ‘Your eyes say, “For now,”’ Laurent said. ‘Your eyes have always said, “For now.”’]
I thought this was interesting. It was probably pretty obvious to Laurent that he was a prince
["I had the servants lay out some clothing for you that befits your new station. Very Veretian, you’ll hate it."]
Right before they had sex, Laurent even had him COSTUMED so it was less obvious who he was
[‘You’re not yourself,’ said Damen. ‘And even if you were, you don’t do anything without a dozen motives.’ Laurent went very still, the soft words half bitter. ‘Don’t I? I must want something.’]
THERE IS NO MOTIVE. HE HAS NOTHING TO GAIN. HE JUST WANTS YOU
[I wish I could have seen Damianos when Kastor’s hire-swords came for him...His father got exactly what he deserved, to die like the animal he was, and there was nothing any of them could do to stop it happening. Then again,’ said Laurent, ‘maybe if Theomedes had kept his cock in his wife instead of sticking it in his mistress—’]
this is when Laurent just learned about nicaise (sp??) and he's trying so so hard to push Damen away; to hurt him, and this is what he chooses
[‘You’d let me go,’ said Damen. This time it was Laurent who was silent, gazing back at him. Damen said, ‘And—until then?’ ‘Until then, you are my slave, and I am your Prince, and that is how it is between us.’]
I got out of order in pasting, but also this. Laurent is emphasizing their roles!!
MOAR LINES I JUST LIKED:
]Damen couldn’t help his amused breath of reaction to that, or the long, scrolling look from Laurent’s head to his toes and back again, which was probably a little insulting. But really. Laurent flushed. The colour hit his cheeks hard, and a muscle tightened in his jaw as whatever he felt was forcibly repressed. It was not like any reaction that Damen had ever seen from him before, and he couldn’t resist pushing it a little further.]
this just seemed so flirty and delightful
[Damen saw him, drawn out of one of the mostly intact tents not six steps away, and gone still at the sight of Damen. He was not wearing the woollen cap. His newly minted hair was uncovered, and he looked as fresh as he had emerging from the baths the night before, as he had waking beneath Damen’s hands. But he had resumed the cool restraint, his jacket laced, his expression disagreeable from the haughty profile to the intolerant blue eyes.
‘You’re alive,’ Damen said, and the words came out on a rush of relief that made him feel weak. ‘I’m alive,’ said Laurent. They were gazing at one another.
‘I wasn’t sure you’d come back.’
‘I came back,’ said Damen.]
SWOON
[Damen watched Laurent go, and only with half his mind experienced the urge to throw things. He knew by now that Laurent never acted precipitously, but always walked away and gave himself time and space alone to think. It was now time to step back and hope.]
you're learning!!!
[It was beyond Damen why anyone thought they were fucking. No one who knew Laurent would ever think that.
Damen drained the cup.]
i died. oh Damen
[Laurent, beside him, was percipient. Acquiring the fallen man’s short clan sword, Laurent inserted himself at Damen’s left, which, Damen noted without surprise, let Damen do all the heavy fighting. Until the moment when a clansman attacked from the left, and Damen, bracing himself to call hard on the muscles of his bruised side, found that Laurent was there, meeting the man’s blade, dispatching him with efficient grace, and shoring up Damen’s weak side. Damen, disconcerted, let him.]
<3 <3
[After a slight pause, Laurent said, almost carefully, ‘I realise that in my service you do not have a great deal of opportunity to pursue the usual—avenues for release. If you need to avail yourself of the coupling fire—’
‘No,’ said Damen. ‘I don’t want a woman.’]
This exchange was so tension filled and JUST ABOUT KILLED ME.
[‘This is not the way I planned to spend the eve of war,’ said Laurent. ‘With me in your bed?’ ‘And in my confidences,’ said Laurent.]
[Damen flushed slowly, heat spreading from his chest over his skin, his heartbeats intrusive. He tried to answer in a normal voice. ‘I can’t imagine you’d wear it.’
‘To keep. I wouldn’t wear it,’ said Laurent, ‘though I don’t believe your imagination is having any difficulty with the idea.’]
JUST YOU BOTH WAIT
I think I'm done now (except I'm starting book 3)
Re: Kay's thoughts 1/?
Oh maaaaaan that is AWESOME (and terrible obviously). I'm just starting to reread, and I'm going to pay very close attention to any time Laurent refers to Damianos in the third person ;__;.
Also ahhhh your comments I can't wait to get to those parts of the reread <3
PS I just realized you might not have seen it, but -- two years ago, I guess? jesus -- the author posted a DVD commentary of chapter 19. Even while at the time she couldn't give away anything about Laurent's true state of mind (there's no reference to him knowing Damen's identity, of course), it's still a really fascinating listen.
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Man, I am sooooooo curious about the worldbuilding of their new kingdom. I wonder how much of it we'll ever get to see.