Wikidata:Property proposal/toponym

sense for this name

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes

Not done

Description	sense of a lexeme corresponding to name
Data type	Sense
Example	Warsaw (Q270) native label (P1705) "Warszawa" → Warszawa/capital of Poland

Note: Sense datatype is not available yet

Motivation

Not sure how to do this. (Add your motivation for this property here.)
--- Jura 15:22, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

It sounds like you are trying to create an inverse of item for this sense (P5137) (which you created though we can't use it yet)? Or is this somehow different (can you clarify)? In any case, I think the inverse direction (which P5137 may already cover) is the better one here, otherwise you'll have one statement per language on each place item. ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:48, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying to figure out how to solve last year's usecase. I'm not sure if P5137 would be sufficient. Maybe we could try an equivalent of statement is subject of (P805). This could be used as a qualifier for a statement such as 'native label = "Warszawa" '.
--- Jura 15:12, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I updated this accordingly.
--- Jura 12:22, 15 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If I understand correctly, this is intended to connect a Statement on an Item to a Lexeme using a qualifier. The use case makes sense to me, but if I understand the structure of this page correctly, this request is misplaced: this section appears to be for Properties to be used on Senses. The proposed Property refers to a Sense, but would be used as a Qualifier on a Statement (supposedly on Items), on on Senses. So the request should probably be at Wikidata:Property_proposal/Generic. -- Duesentrieb (talk) 11:24, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not done --Micru (talk) 17:00, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Micru: can you add an explanation?
--- Jura 11:05, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Jura1: As you can see above there was no support for this proposal, and the conversation stalled. --Micru (talk) 14:12, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think there is. It's just that senses aren't available.
--- Jura 14:17, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I reopened it. The point raised by @Duesentrieb: had been addressed. I think it's good to include this in both.
  --- Jura 11:48, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose until it can be shown that item for this sense (P5137) is insufficient for a real usecase. The motivation for this property doesn't actually make a case for why this is needed, and since we don't have senses yet, let alone the ability to query lexemes or use the data in other projects, it seems too premature to be sure it's needed anyway. - Nikki (talk) 10:36, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is silly. We were asked to propose properties provided that lexemes/forms/senses will be available.
--- Jura 10:39, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The way property proposals work is that the proposer has to convince others that the property being proposed should be added. Some properties will obviously be necessary and that can be demonstrated in advance. If you think this one is also clearly necessary, then it's up to you to show that it is. Dismissing my comment as "silly" is not going to suddenly make me think that this is needed. - Nikki (talk) 13:41, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not really interested in convincing you, as you argue that properties for senses are premature .. It's just not relevant as we seek to formulate proposals in advance.
  --- Jura 13:45, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not done No support.--Micru (talk) 23:26, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]