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+> Partitions
+> ==========
+
+> Next stage would be teaching the planner. The conditions would be
+> pseudo-constraints on the partitions. Hence if the conditions and the
+> constraints form a non-intersecting set, you can skip that partition
+> altogether.
+
+Make that "normal check constraints", and make the planner consider
+constraints,
+and I think that by itself combined with the current featureset will
+be much more powerful than any of the "partitioning" features out there.
+(This is mainly needed to optimize selects on the big union all view)
+
+Imho if a dba starts to partition, he usually needs to be more involved
+than the average user, so I think he should be able cope with compexity.
+What imho would help, is a tool that generates a suggested rule set,
+indexes
+and actions, which the dba can review and apply. I do not think new SQL
+syntax
+would really help, since that would somehow hide the great existing
+power of
+the rule system. A tool would teach the dba, and empower him to use it.
+
+And yes, creating several smaller tables and adding the appropriate
+rules
+usually makes the VLDB life much easier compared to growing single
+tables into
+the TB range.
+
+Andreas
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+On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 12:40:00AM +1000, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
+> Anyway, the general trend seems to be against the idea so I may as well go
+> think of something else :)
+
+I'm disappointed to hear that. Having no way to effectively partition
+data is a real pain in pgsql, and your proposal would adress that. Yes,
+you can build it yourself by creating the view and all the rules by
+hand, but that has a lot of drawbacks:
+
+It's completely PGSQL specific
+It leaves no possibility for performance improvements down the road
+It's a lot of code to write
+You have to manually maintain it all every time you need to add a new
+partition (in your example, at the start of every year).
+
+I don't know what the policies for patches are, but I'd hope that the
+core team would consider adding this functionality, especially since a
+first-round implimentation can be done entirely with rules (or so it
+seems).
+
+I certainly understand that development time is a very limited resource,
+and I'm willing to work on this (though I'm not a C coder). Even if no
+one can commit to this right now, can't it be added to the todo list?
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+On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 10:02:24AM -0500, Jim C. Nasby wrote:
+> On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 12:40:00AM +1000, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote:
+> > Anyway, the general trend seems to be against the idea so I may as well=
+ go
+> > think of something else :)
+>=20
+> I'm disappointed to hear that. Having no way to effectively partition
+> data is a real pain in pgsql, and your proposal would adress that. Yes,
+> you can build it yourself by creating the view and all the rules by
+> hand, but that has a lot of drawbacks:
+
+I agree, there is a lot of potential here. And I don't beleive it would be
+too much work as most of the infrastructure is already there. At this stage
+I'm just wondering if it will go on the TODO list. I propose that the
+following items be added:
+
+ * Improve the planner to take CHECK constraints into account to prune th=
+e plan.
+ * Allow a single index to index multiple tables (also for inherited PRIM=
+ARY KEYS)
+ * Allow partitioning of table into multiple subtables
+
+The first two items would be useful in their own right. With them the final
+one would be straight forward. I'd be prepared to put some effort into this
+if there is some indication it would be accepted.
+
+> I don't know what the policies for patches are, but I'd hope that the
+> core team would consider adding this functionality, especially since a
+> first-round implimentation can be done entirely with rules (or so it
+> seems).
+
+Well, I think the policy is 'if you write the code you have a better chance
+to have it accepted' :) So, if it's likely to be accepted then we only need
+to find someone to code it. Given the other priorities currently I think
+waiting for the core team to write it would be futile (unless you can
+convince someone like IBM to give the core team money to write it).
+
+Right now I'd be happy if the anonymous CVS server would talk to me :)
+
+By the way, has anyone given thought to user-defined storage managers? Apart
+from allowing backward compatable table access, you could implement a simple
+version of partitioning that doesn't take advantage of planner tricks.
+
+Have a nice day,
+--=20
+Martijn van Oosterhout <
[email protected]> http://svana.org/kleptog/
+> "the West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or
+> religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence.
+> Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do."
+> - Samuel P. Huntington
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