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Re: Portal:Opera and Portal:Finger Lakes

Yes, they are featured. I just haven't got around to list them yet. OhanaUnitedTalk page 20:07, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We actually have a bot to do some of the tasks. And if we do the job for the bot, the bot owner will get angry and may withdraw its service. So, try leave the promotion parts to the directors. OhanaUnitedTalk page 00:14, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Bartered Bride

This is now at WP:Peer Review. Any comments would be welcome. The structure is fairly close to the format of Agrippina, our recent joint venture at FAC. Brianboulton (talk) 21:53, 7 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/Plantain_Walk,_Jamaica

Per feedback, the image you reviewed now illustrates the biography of the artist and a different image illustrates the History of Jamaica article. You may wish to change your review based upon these alterations. Durova273 19:14, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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WT:OPERA

No problem as things stand - I had no particular intention to use any of the other synopses (some of them written by me, BTW!), and I imagine that Kleinzach would want to get the permission of the author if/when any such occasion arises. As for OTRS, I know less than nothing about it - could you make any necessary links, perhaps in collaboration with User:Moonriddengirl. Best. --GuillaumeTell 13:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

CZ Infant colic

What's wrong with Citizendium's infant colic article? Your note isn't very specific. --Cybercobra (talk) 23:19, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a new column in the WikiProject table for comments and tagged some of yours for elaboration. --Cybercobra (talk) 00:15, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is a cleanup possible?

Hi, Shoemaker. I was wondering if it was possible to clean up the sound on , or even if it was worth it. It's the only known episode to survive of a radio show from the 30s, and it has fallen into the public domain. The accompanying article is an FA, and I'd like this file to be, too. Also, would it stand a chance of being promoted at WP:FSC, cleaned or "dirty"? Thanks, Matthewedwards :  Chat  04:39, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks. There's no hugh rush so if you have other commitments it can wait. Matthewedwards :  Chat  04:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have another Q on something unrelated. When a composer has written/recorded/published a piece of music before 1923, and then it has been re-recorded/reinterpreted/covered after 1923, is that recording copyrightable or is it PD because it's all about the state of the original work? Matthewedwards :  Chat  04:52, 10 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


+2 FPs
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Edward Walsh - Queenstown, Upper Canada on the Niagara (a.k.a. Queenston, Ontario).jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. wadester16 04:15, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Gustave Doré - Miguel de Cervantes - Don Quixote - Part 1 - Chapter 1 - Plate 1 "A world of disorderly notions, picked out of his books, crowded into his imagination".jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. wadester16 04:15, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Plot-only description of fictional works

Since you're a major contributor to it, thought you should know there has been talkpage talk of formally proposing it be made policy. So if you have any final edits or comments, now would be a good time. --Cybercobra (talk) 06:59, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations!
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured picture status, File:J. Cooper, Sr. - Sir Walter Scott - Le Noir Faineant in the Hermit's Cell - Ivanhoe.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. wadester16 06:09, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Expert opinion requested

So I did a bunch of scans today at the local historical society. This is my first legitimate engraving restoration. Care to comment? :-) wadester16 21:57, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually give me a bit of time; with the image problems going on, I'm having trouble uploading the original TIFF. wadester16 22:06, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
TIFF is up; you can now compare to the original. Thanks! wadester16 22:34, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FPC Closure

You forgot to sign. wadester16 01:19, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WikiCup participates in the Wikipedia:The Great Wikipedia Dramaout

Hello all, iMatthew here. I just wanted to let you know about "The Great Wikipedia Dramaout" which starts this Saturday. The goal of the Dramaout is to spend five days working on improving articles and abstaining from any of Wikipedia's drama. I don't think that any of you will have a problem focusing on articles for five days, because of course, any work you get done during the Dramaout will count towards your score in the WikiCup. Details are on the page; hope to see you all signing up! :) iMatthew talk at 00:27, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FPC closure

Looks like you forgot to move this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/File:Sawfly_larvae_-_Pergidae_sp.jpg. I took care of it. I think. You might want to check! Makeemlighter (talk) 21:58, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mannatech Article

Hello Shoemaker's Holiday, just wanted to touch base with you. I have reverted your edit you made today to the Mannatech article; for some reason you had removed a few months of edits including a major clean-up and improvement I and others have been working on (adding the company logo, organizing all the public scrutiny into separate sub-sections, etc). FYI, I am not affiliated with Mannatech at all. Let's talk if you have any objections to my revert. Have a good day.prhartcom (talk) 12:03, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reponse (on my page); I definately know what you mean about this article; I have seen many attempts to add marketing content. I keep an eye on it frequently for that reason. I have, I believe, improved it quite a bit in the last few months so I do appreciate it if we talk before you remove any of those improvements. Have a good day.prhartcom (talk) 12:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Robertredfern

Thanks for this - I'd raised it at the new content board and the associated wikiproject. Dougweller (talk) 14:49, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re: ANI post

If you refuse to withdraw a harmful accusation when only oversighters can see the full truth of the matter, I believe that this is necessary. Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Stephen_Bain —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shoemaker's Holiday (talk • contribs)

The page is merely deleted, not oversighted, any administrator can view the revisions. As for the amendment request, you will have to await the other arbitrators' views if mine do not suit. --bainer (talk) 14:00, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, some of the revisions - including most of the outing of me - was oversighted, before the deletion of the page was considered. If you're basing your accusation on the events on the post-oversighting page, then you are not really looking into the situation. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 14:41, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
From Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive406#User_blocked_for_attempted_outing:
I have blocked Arion 3x3 (talk · contribs) indefinitely as an emergency measure, after what I deemed to be his attempted outing of another editor at the current arbitration he is involved in. I was approached privately by both Filll and Durova, who noticed it, 'and decided it was worthy of oversight. In my opinion, whether or not his hunch is correct (which I cannot confirm) the fact that he was trying to out the real name of someone who had explicitly left the project due to the publicity of his real name is troubling. Sorry if this all sounds cryptic, but it's hard to say much, given the circumstances. I would like us to have a discussion now whether the indefinite block should be made permanent, or how to react. Dmcdevit·t 03:31, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 14:50, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Three edits were oversighted, two made by User:Arion 3x3 and one by another uninvolved user whose edit contained the same contents as those two. Your edits, the ones we are talking about, were not oversighted but deleted, and can be viewed by any administrator. --bainer (talk) 15:14, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We are not just talking about mine, since you are making the accusation that I am mostly, or equally at fault for outing, when mine was accidental and non-identifying, and theirs was an edit warred harassment campaign. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 15:31, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Multi-listen item
Your Featured sound candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured sound status, Image:Enrico Caruso, Giuseppe de Luca, Giuseppe Verdi, Nè gustare m'è dato un'ora (La forza del destino).ogg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another sound, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured sound candidates.  GARDEN  18:51, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Template:Multi-listen item
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Dana

If you're talking about the passage I removed as unsourced but subsequently replaced and added the correct supporting ref, the page linked to in the ref was evidently the wrong one and didn't support the statement, although it was from the same collection of documents. But yes, I do find it wise to follow up on any claims he makes about sources. Brunton (talk) 18:26, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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DYK for The Queen of Hearts (poem)

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FPC Closing

Hey, thanks for taking up your time to do the tedious task. Just wondering, wasn't this nomination closed too early. It was open for less than 6 days altogether and an alternative version was added less than 3 days ago. I would appreciate it if you could reopen the nom and allow it a fe more days so that we can get feedback on the alternative. --Muhammad(talk) 02:02, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks --Muhammad(talk) 02:47, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re: File:Pegesimallus_sp_robberfly.jpg

Aww, that's not fair. You were one of my best supporters. Let wadester close it ;-) --Muhammad(talk) 14:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rob Roy in the Crypt of Glasgow Cathedral
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
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A new barnstar for you.

Photographers have had their own barnstar for a long time...It was time someone made one for those who restores old pictures :

The Curator Barnstar
For oustanding work in finding and restoring an unbelievable number of historical pictures, many of those becoming great additions to Wikipedia's Featured Pictures. Ksempac (talk) 12:48, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations on being the being the first (with Durova) to receive this barnstar. Ksempac (talk) 12:49, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your offer on my talk page. If you allow me to have a rain check on it, I know exactly which document i would like restored. However, I will need to get a hold of a bigger scan/photo straight out of the BNF before anything can be done. That's gonna require some work (and luck !) which I'm a bit too lazy to do for now. Ksempac (talk) 12:43, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Barnstar renamed following discussion on WP:Awards (didn't even know their was such a project O_o) Ksempac (talk) 06:55, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AIV: FPCs

I agreed with your assessment and promoted both. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 13:12, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ANI on DanaUllman

As you have participated at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Choices, this is to notify you that I've added 2 more choices. Ncmvocalist (talk) 05:38, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

POTD notification

POTD

Hi SH,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Gustave Doré - The Holy Bible - Plate I, The Deluge.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on August 16, 2009. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2009-08-16. howcheng {chat} 06:38, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WP:FSC

I have determined consensus and promoted your candidates at Wikipedia:Featured sound candidates/Diabelli Variations and Wikipedia:Featured sound candidates/Toccata and Fugue in D minor. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:08, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WP:FPC
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Canterville Ghost

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Good Topic

Hi. I'm back and trying to catch up. What happened with the Featured Topic nomination? -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:21, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Thanks. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:43, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:The harbour in Kingstown, Co. Dublin, Ireland, in about 1895 - Option 2.jpg
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Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/The Story of the Mikado - Frontispiece
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Can you check my work?

Hi. I just tried closing my first nom over at FPC, and I was hoping you could check to make sure I did it right. Everything looks good, but I'd prefer if someone with more experience could make sure. Thanks! Makeemlighter (talk) 06:09, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FPC promotions
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Oscar Wilde - An Ideal Husband - You brute! You coward!.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:20, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
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FP

Thanks. Yeah not everything gets promoted, though I was very proud of that image. Probably my best mammal shot yet. LOL abt the crab eating monkey, should have been crab eating, monkey. --Muhammad(talk) 15:28, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FSC

I really don't think the voting rules should be changed back and forth just because there are changes in the number of reviewer visits from time to time. Better would be to drum up support for more reviewers. What about a template that displays links to the nomination sections, which people could then put on their talk page (and those of the relevant WikiProjects)?

The voting rules, I believe, should not include the obvious vote of the nominator (or worse, joint nominators). Tony (talk) 01:08, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FPC Closures

Hey, thanks for the Parliament House closing. Just thought I'd give you a heads up. Not sure what technique you're using but if you've got some shortcut worked out just watch for errors. For the record, I've corrected the message on my userpage (which I successfully botched three times, thus my increasingly frustrated edit summaries!), updated the version in the article to the promoted version, and added the FP tag to the image page. Cheers, --jjron (talk) 13:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I know how errors can sneak through, I think the most (in terms of promoted) that I ever tried in one hit was five cos you just start losing track of them all. And it takes me ages, especially if doing a few, cos I keep going back and checking and checking to try to make sure I've got it right. Anyway, just letting you know, cos though I can fix the mistakes, some that didn't know may be baffled by what had happened. --jjron (talk) 13:23, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Don't really mind either, but I think most closers have credited it as John O'Neill in the FP Gallery, I guess MER-C would have promoted most of mine and pretty sure that's what he did. May be hard for you to remember cos I'm not doing that much image work of my own atm, at least not in terms of FP stuff, so it may be a long time between drinks. Yeah, I never did anything like that re the word processor or anything, but did work out some 'quicker' ways of processing them - I think you have to or you'd go mad, it can easily take an hour for a single promotion the first time you do it just following the standard procedure! There's no way you'd keep that up. And as you say, those complexities with edits, multiple editors, co-nominators, etc, can all throw an extra spanner in the works, it's very easy to miss something. --jjron (talk) 13:53, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
About thirty - that seems a lot! Must have been ones that credited me as editor and that as well. As long as it links back to my userpage I guess is the main thing, people can make their own way from there. I was thinking most were in as John O'Neill, but perhaps I had seen some credited as that and it had just stuck in my memory. I know you've said you use a different name on Commons, but didn't know you didn't like to be credited as SMH. How come you stick with it? --jjron (talk) 15:25, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that's quite a story. I spose I can understand you using a pseudonym, though you're still making yourself quite traceable. I usually just try to avoid too much dispute (in fact that's the first time I'd ever looked at an arbcom page). Nonetheless I tend to stick to the pseudonyms too, but it was kind of an accident that my real name got into the image page template, but once it was there for a while I just left it. Actually was just wondering recently what happened to that Adam... guy, then got to thinking hang on, I think it might be SMH (as you know I don't bother with Commons FPC or anything like that, so hadn't clicked from that). You must have disappeared for a while completely perhaps (?), though I was also off for several months in early 2007 so I could have lost track then if it was round then you swapped over. --jjron (talk) 13:58, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, that's all pretty drastic. I reckon I'd take a very long wikibreak if I got mixed up in something like that. Altercations here can certainly throw you in real life at times, but that's terrible that you got so stressed by it that it had that big an impact on your RL. --jjron (talk) 07:08, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikivoices

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Re

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Your comment at TFA/R

I replied there also. I don't know how to convert a .pdf to a .jpg. If you can do it, and upload it in place of the larger image, I will take care of the cropped image for the TFA/R blurb. I had to photograph a printout, that is why it is dark.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:56, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I saw you reverted your edit. I was looking around, for example here as well as here. They claim that use is restricted, "The recordings on this page are approved by the Department of Defense for use in public service broadcasting, recruiting, educational activities, troop morale, and retention. Recordings are NOT for sale and are to be used only within the scope of these official Department of Defense activities." But copyright law says otherwise, unless I am greatly mistaken. What would be the proper route to clarify this. Should we contact the band and ask for permission? Or try to start a discussion on enwiki or commons? Or just upload them, tag them, and wait for someone to object? Thatcher 14:29, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Idea for the future

You had mentioned wanting to work on color work somewhat, what would you think about working up this image in the future? Staxringold talkcontribs 02:46, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

POTD notification

POTD

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Gilbert and Sullivan

Hi Shoemaker,

Silvers has informed me that you might be able to direct me to the previous good topic nomination discussions for Gilbert and Sullivan, W. S. Gilbert, and Arthur Sullivan. Do you know where those might be recorded?

Thanks,

Neelix (talk) 19:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Templates for deletion nomination of Template:Lolblock

Template:Lolblock has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. \ Backslash Forwardslash / (talk) 05:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I closed it as move to user space. It was certainly a close one, and I will admit that I found it quite funny. If you feel strongly about keeping it in main template space, I won't oppose any revert to my actions. Thanks for the laugh. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 23:53, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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FPC

Hi, since I'm not familiar with fixing such kind of flaws, could you do what is possible in the Pension Office interior per suggestions? Brand[t] 10:15, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Walter Johnson and Calvin Coolidge

Time to update that count. :)

Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
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I got that message because I was the nom, but you definitely deserve a big giant hunk of credit. Staxringold talkcontribs 13:23, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Nat M. Wills

Hello Shoemaker. I'm helping a new user, and I would like to know, if this is really free. Can you help me, please? Thank you. --Vejvančický (talk) 16:14, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much, have nice day. --Vejvančický (talk) 07:15, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FAR Parapsychology

If you guys want to de-FA it, I'm not going to oppose it. If nothing else, it does have current problems. It'd be a shame, though, if everyone just delisted it and then moved on. I'd like to personally challenge you to see it through to a new FA, better written, and more comprehensive. If you can pull that off, I'd be very appreciative. Good luck. --Nealparr (talk to me) 20:58, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Labor Day!

Dear colleague, I just want to wish you a happy, hopefully, extended holiday weekend and nice end to summer! Your friend, --A NobodyMy talk 04:35, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PA and AAAS

My understanding is that Margaret Mead, president of the AAAS, campaigned for the inclusion of the PA in 1969. The PA met all the requirements, was in good standing, and was accepted. Wheeler was there on the Board of the AAAS, voted against it, but was in the minority. A decade later he was to give a talk on quantum measurement and was pissed to find that he had to share the podium with a couple of parapsychologists, fearing "guilt by association". Afterwards he wrote a letter to the director of the AAAS asking that a panel be formed to review the PA's affiliation and eliminate it as "a consequence of the permissiveness of the Vietnam era". There are no details that I've read concerning Meade's efforts at inclusion, or the response to Wheeler's letter for exclusion, but his request was obviously denied. PA remains associated. No panel was ever created. Wheeler's beef was that his work on quantum measurement had been quoted earlier (not sure by whom) as supporting the paranormal, prior to the 1969 inclusion. He took offense to being portrayed as a supporter because some of his colleagues thought he had gone off the deep end. That's what the issue was. He didn't want to be associated with parapsychologists. Anything else would be speculation on my part. I didn't read the books. I read the excerpts. --Nealparr (talk to me) 15:16, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The most oft quoted portion of the speech that Mead gave to the AAAS in favor of parapsychology is...
"The whole history of scientific advance is full of scientists investigating phenomena that the establishment did not believe were there".
I'm sure there's a source for that speech somewhere. I believe that quote would be excellent for the article. Excellent because whether or not critics agree with the validity of the research, I'm sure most of them would agree that it explains the persistence of parapsychology. At the least, I think they would agree with this, and then begrudge it in the next breath. --Nealparr (talk to me) 17:39, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'm definitely not here to get involved in all of that : ) After about a year away from Wikipedia, I noticed the article was under FAR and thought I'd take a few minutes to clean it up here and there. I'm definitely on the outside of commitment in doing anything noteworthy or productive with Wikipedia. Not that I have anything against Wikipedia, but my biggest complaint has always run along the lines of "Lots of readers. Too many editors. Too few writers." If I saw more people writing content rather than just editing it, I'd probably help out more. --Nealparr (talk to me) 18:38, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And that is why I don't participate at Wikipedia very much anymore. Simple comments about policy, trying to be fair on topics, turn into editors who know nothing about me accusing me of guilt by association, as if I'm here to promote the topic instead of write well-written articles about it. Then I'm forced to defend my reputation as a neutral editor, just because I choose to participate in a controversial article. Life is way too short for all that drama. It's really not worth participating. --Nealparr (talk to me) 04:09, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for 9 part Britten/Tennyson

Updated DYK query On September 10, 2009, Did you know? was updated with facts from the articles William Britten, Mariana (poem), "The Deserted House", Oenone (poem), The Lotos-Eaters, St Simeon Stylites (poem), The Day-Dream, Sir Galahad (poem), and "Break, Break, Break‎", which you created or substantially expanded.

Wikiproject: Did you know? 05:21, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

WikiCup Newsletter XXX

Delivered for the WikiCup by  ROBOTIC GARDEN  at 19:36, 12 September 2009 (UTC). To report errors see the talk page.[reply]

FSC Notice

Template:Multi-listen item
Your Featured sound candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured sound status, Image:Jeanette Ekornaasvaag - Jules Massenet - Werther - "Va! laisse couler mes larmes".ogg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another sound, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured sound candidates. Seddσn talk|WikimediaUK 23:59, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FSC candidate

Heya pal,

I noticed that you participated at Wikipedia:Featured_sound_candidates/Livery_Stable_Blues. Since your support vote, an edited version of the file that removes hiss from the from file, has be suggested as an altenate version. Please return to the the FSC to see whether or not you support the editted version or not. Seddσn talk|WikimediaUK 01:08, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Ethical Conundrum

I'd have to discuss it with iMatt next time I'm on IRC. I would be fine with 3 myself. Although in another sense that could encourage people to contribute to FSC I think in the short term tempers may flair if you take credit for all of them. As I say, I'll ask iMatt.  GARDEN  19:22, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Crown Fountain FAC 4

At Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Crown Fountain/archive4‎, we have been asked to clip an .ogg file from 50 to approximately 10 seconds. I do not know anything about .ogg files and am unsure if my co-author knows how to edit them either. Are you willing and able to edit such a file type? Leave a comment at the FAC if you will be able to help.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 13:42, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. the file at issue is the Crown Fountain main image, File:Crown fountain spouting.ogg.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:13, 17 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Nardwuar the Human Serviette

Hey- you're listed as a co-nominator here, do you think you'd be up to giving the image a little cleanup? Myself and another user have supported on the condition the image is cleaned. J Milburn (talk) 09:46, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That'd be great- I love freely released publicity shots, and the more we feature, the better, in my view! J Milburn (talk) 17:43, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sound restoration

Ping|  Roger Davies talk 01:47, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rodgarten

The ANI discussion seems to have been archived by the bot; has it been resolved though? Ncmvocalist (talk) 06:55, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Responded at my page; sorry, it seems I forgot to follow up. Ncmvocalist (talk) 17:40, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Curious

Hi Shoemaker, just out of curiosity: what is so wrong with NagasakibombEdit.jpeg? (I saw your edit to Pacific War go by on Recent changes.) I've looked and looked but I can't see any differences--maybe, if you have a moment, you can tell me what to look for. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 18:27, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mushroom cloud

What the editor did with the Nagasaki photo was simply to try to "clean up" this quite-large photo of various "stuff" that was on the print, or the scan, or whatever it was. I thought maybe someone had painted a face on it or something, from the reaction to it. Whether such cleanup is "appropriate" or not, I'm not sure, but it doesn't seem to be significantly different. →Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 23:38, 22 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • As I said there, the attempts at colour matching where edits were made are often poor, hence changing the shape of the clouds in quite a lot of places in obviously unnecessary ways. Every discussion of imagerestoration I've ever seen has warned against that. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 206 FCs served 01:25, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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New York Blues

Template:Multi-listen item
Your Featured sound candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured sound status, Image:Pietro Frosini - New York Blues (1916) - hiss reduced.ogg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another sound, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured sound candidates. NW (Talk) 03:34, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thure de Thulstrup

I found two sources that could be used in the article: [1] (very useful) and [2]. Can you add the information to the article and then nominate it at DYK? I have to go so I can't do it myself (at least not until tomorrow). Theleftorium 20:32, 23 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. The prose size is now 1773 bytes, so there shouldn't be a problem. :-) Theleftorium 15:14, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet, thanks! And I definitely will look. One idea I have is my dad has a huge very early jazz and blues collection (like field recordings of sharecroppers old) on CD, next time I'm home I'll check for anything pre-1923. Staxringold talkcontribs 04:52, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

POTD notification

POTD

Hi SH,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Gustave Doré - Dante Alighieri - Inferno - Plate 9 (Canto III - Charon).jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on September 27, 2009. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2009-09-27. howcheng {chat} 06:56, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are being discussed at ANI

Good morning. There is a discussion that involves you going on at WP:ANI. The discussion may be found here. Best, UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 12:10, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Semper fidelis

Hi there... an anon had removed a significant chunk of material from Semper fidelis just before you made your recent edit to it. I did a reversion to restore the lost material, but in so doing may have undone your edits, in which case, many apologies. seglea (talk) 23:24, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Nardwuar the Human Serviette
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Nardwuar1-photo-rgb NR.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Makeemlighter (talk) 03:42, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stars and Stripes Forever

Re: Wikipedia:Featured sound candidates/Sousa's Band performs Sousa

I declicked this song and it sounds much better now. May I go ahead and upload the new version on commons? I'm not sure if I'm supposed to edit it while its a featured sound candidate. ThemFromSpace 03:51, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ruddigore

Hi, not to be a pain, but you had begun research on Ruddigore almost six months ago, and you haven't advanced it since then. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:19, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Apology

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Lead work

There are two more epics (Roderick the Goth and Joan of Arc), and I want to write pages for 6 or so of the smaller poems. I should have the two other epics and most of it finished by this weekend. If you don't think you will make it into the next cup round, you don't have to bother with the leads. You might be interested in Madoc's plot, however. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:00, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Updated with Roderick. I will add the Critical reception soon. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:43, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Acupuncture article revisions

Hi, please see the "evidence of effectiveness" section in the discussion before reverting by edits again.99.255.196.199 (talk) 05:03, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Quasi-related note - your revision to acupuncture replaced the "review dates" that are being discussed on the talk page (most recently here I guess, it's a lengthy talk page). Could you help the discussion and eventual consensus by adding your reasoning for keeping the years of the reviews rather than the date of the initial statement? Much obliged. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:simple/complex 15:32, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ANI thread

Hello, Shoemaker's Holiday. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Dendodge T\C 22:55, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WikiCup Newsletter XXXII

Don't let this all grind you down

The Barnstar of Integrity
Frankly, you deserve this and then another dozen over for all your hard work on here. Don't let this Wikivoices stuff grind you down.Skinny87 (talk) 08:51, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ANI notice about Global Consciousness Project

Hello, Shoemaker's Holiday. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at WP:ANI regarding Global Consciousness Project. Thank you.. Logos5557 (talk) 00:33, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

thx

Thanks for the DYK interpretation and especially taking the trouble to drop me a note. Cheers Victuallers (talk) 14:36, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Skype chat file for editing

I replied to you on ANI, but I guess you didn't see it. Can you leave me a note on my talkpage when the file gets uploaded? I'm dying to know what all the fuss was about. I assume that Kohs just likes hearing the sound of his own voice. If you haven't found anyone to the editing, I can do it if someone gives me instruction as to what the desired result is or what needs to be edited. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 15:30, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

RE

"The vacancy was due to ODB and Deaner arguing over who was the rightful champion, since Deaner gained the pinfall in the tag team match which won ODB the championship. TNA authority figure Mick Foley vacated the championship because of this situation.[4]" That should cover the info in the DYK and the Impact report from the reliable PWTorch should cover them arguing over it and the title being vacated as well.--WillC 19:58, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Some kid's morning TV show interrupted Impact. There was a goofy Southern truck driver and his blond girlfriend. There was a guy wearing a George Washington wig and a gigantic toddler in a mask with a sparkly baseball bat. One gave another a gift of groceries. The gigantic toddler said "I love to eat." The host with big round bulging eyes (he might have hosted "Blues Clues" once) tried to keep everyone from acting too rowdy. The blond woman played with balloons in her shirt. The truck driver showed off pictures of celebrities on a pedestal such as Mike Tyson and Chuck Norris. In the end, Mick Foley held up the TNA Knockouts Title and said ODB will fight Deaner at a future date. Borash asked Foley if he's okay. Foley said sometimes you have to take a step back and regroup, and then when it's time to act, act with vengeance. Borash asked what he's up to. Foley said time will tell. " I guess Wade Keller decided to be a little funny when he wrote his report. I can change the ref to one more serious if you wish?--WillC 20:17, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well I got maybe one or two more reports from PWTorch I can change to, one from Slam Sports, and one from WrestleView. Which one would you prefer?--WillC 20:31, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done, changed to one from WrestleView, showing ODB saying she should be champ because it is a women's title, while Deaner saying he should because he has "knocked people out". Dumb storyline at the time, but was used to put more focus on crowning the new TNA Knockout Tag Team Champions.--WillC 22:29, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thanks.--WillC 23:00, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Hi SH, would you mind checking out the section at the bottom of the WT:GAN page? I think you made a mistake when passing an article. ceranthor 01:02, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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DYK for Thure de Thulstrup

Updated DYK query On September 30, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Thure de Thulstrup, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

PeterSymonds (talk) 15:57, 29 September 2009 (UTC) 12:42, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2009 IAF mid-air collision

Sorry for posting original on your user page. The hook was referenced. The aircraft came into service in April 2008 and was the only AWACS-equipped Iranian aircraft.[2]. Article not edited since 06:10 today. Thanks for sorting this out. Mjroots (talk) 18:59, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Error?

Hi - I think you made a "bold" edit of the DYK suggestions list earlier today (around 16:00). I had a complaint that a hook had been deleted for no reason. I've returned it here as it does seem that this was deleted in error. Do you agree? If so then you may care to give him a hand and also check there are no others. Hope I have not misunderstood the history. Oh and I do agree that the list gets tooooo long! Victuallers (talk) 19:50, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Randall's Thumb

Updated DYK query On September 30, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Randall's Thumb, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

PeterSymonds (talk) 15:55, 29 September 2009 (UTC) 20:43, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ulysses S. Grant from West Point to Appomattox promoted
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Ulysses S. Grant from West Point to Appomattox.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates.  GARDEN  20:50, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please do check I closed this correctly. Thanks.  GARDEN  20:50, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

hip hip hooray!

for I am back! :-) - I thought of you a few weeks ago when I attended a function at either Gilbert or Sullivan's old house in north London (not sure which!) - anywhoo, I've been catching up with bun fights, resignations, and all the usual wiki shenanigans, and I gather one bit of fuss was over the wiki voices episode about the board elections about which you're likely royally sick of chatting about - sorry!) - I wonder if at this late stage I might be able to help at all? What I'd like to do is fix up the audio file sometime next week and bung it online - let me know if this might be feasible at all, and hope you're well regardless. Privatemusings (talk) 21:16, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Much as I love kittens...

Surely something must be done about today's "daily kitten":

--74.98.43.217 (talk) 21:32, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tennyson

I was wondering what you think of the quality of this file. I was going to restore this, but then I noticed we already had a cleaned-up version. What do you think of it? Awadewit (talk) 05:16, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

I have followed your stalwart edits for months, rooting on your efforts, and I think you really deserve this:

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
This barnstar is awarded to Shoemaker's Holiday, for his incredible work and tireless dedication, particuly on Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not Thank you for working so hard for the contributions of so many editors. As Skinny87 said in your last barnstar: "Don't let this ... stuff grind you down." Ikip (talk) 16:56, 2 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!

The Barnstar of High Culture
Thank you so much for your wonderful work on this image! It looks beautiful in the Jane Austen article. Your efforts on these engravings are exceptional. Awadewit (talk) 04:47, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hope not Hate

You could simply add some content to the article Casuals United to address any alleged imbalance. You are also welcome to help contribute to my next attempt at a DYK. The anti-racism campaign Hope not Hate. It will provoke far less reaction.  Francium12  22:24, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dispatches

You have one ready to go for this week?--ragesoss (talk) 00:34, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It can, of course, wait until next week if that's easier for you. Thanks!--ragesoss (talk) 01:12, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Working Man's Barnstar

The Working Man's Barnstar
I award this Working Man's Barnstar to Shoemaker's Holiday for being a significant force in closing Featured Picture Nominations. This is indeed a thankless job... until now. upstateNYer 23:17, 5 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Declicking

You can always ask me if you need a sound file declicked for DYK, FS, or anything else. I do this kind of thing for fun and would love to help out the project at the same time. ThemFromSpace 04:31, 6 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Tall image

I started messing with {{Tall image}} lately and noticed that when in use, the template seems to cut off the image at about half way. Is this normal? Is there any way to fix this? --TorsodogTalk 13:26, 7 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The scroll bar does work, however the entire image is no displayed. See this for an example. --TorsodogTalk 17:27, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

Sounds fine. When you do get around to working on an outline, let me know. If I get bored and take a break from Wikipedia before then, please feel free to use the email function on my page. Thanks. --Nealparr (talk to me) 23:38, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Multi-listen item
Your Featured sound candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured sound status, Image:Ted Snyder - Arthur_Pryors_Band - Ramshackle_Rag.ogg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another sound, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured sound candidates. NW (Talk) 03:54, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Multi-listen item
Your Featured sound candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured sound status, Image:Arthur Pryors Band-That Flying Rag.ogg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another sound, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured sound candidates. NW (Talk) 03:54, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Multi-listen item
Your Featured sound candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured sound status, Image:John Philip Sousa - U.S. Navy Band - Semper Fidelis March.ogg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another sound, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured sound candidates. NW (Talk) 03:55, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FLC closures

Does this mean that you and I are going to be permanently tied on 1 FLC close each?! I closed one "back in the the old days..." when there were no FLC directors/delegates, and someone moaned. With all the steps to complete, I'm quite glad that the task is left to others! Hope I wasn't coming across too harshly in my comments, as that certainly wasn't my intention. If it wasn't so early here, I'd buy you a beer... BencherliteTalk 06:16, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi SH. Thanks for closing an FLC. Typically closures are left until just before Gimmebot does a run (see the instructions: "Nominations will be removed on Tuesdays and Saturdays, just before User:GimmeBot's scheduled run at 00:00 UTC Wednesday and Sunday mornings.") - could you add a note to any you close early so that no additional comments are made in the meantime. Also, could you be sure to include lists you promote in the Announcements page? That way we won't get out of sync. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:28, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Never mind, I just saw the discussion over at WT:FLC! The Rambling Man (talk) 07:41, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

POTD notification

POTD

Hi SH,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Charon's Boat.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on October 11, 2009. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2009-10-11. howcheng {chat} 07:10, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WikiCup submissions

Hi, please see Wikipedia talk:WikiCup#Why should you get credit for these?. iMatthew talk at 18:48, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WikiCup Newsletter XXXIII

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Vauxhall Gardens

Any update on this image? It's a promote without the edit, so if you don't mind, I can just promote it. Then, if we get an edit, we can just delist/replace this one. Let me know what you think. Thanks. Makeemlighter (talk) 02:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Childe Harold's Pilgrimage
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Lord Byron - Childe_Harold's Pilgimage_-_Dugdale_edition.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. jjron (talk) 07:35, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, consequently delisted from VP. --jjron (talk) 07:35, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sor Opus Number

I was corrected by another editor: the sound Sor piece that I recorded was actually Opus 31, not 30. I am very embarrassed to make such a simple mistake on my first featured sound... Anyway, I corrected the number everywhere, but should I re-upload the file under the correct title?  JUJUTACULAR | TALK  13:48, 13 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Poke" - if you could help me move that file, that would be great. I can fix all the links to it on Wikipedia once it's done.  JUJUTACULAR | TALK  10:43, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vauxhall Gardens FP nom

Please comment on the edited version of this nom. Thanks. Makeemlighter (talk) 21:11, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

POTD notification

POTD

Hi SH,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Gustave Doré - Dante Alighieri - Inferno - Plate 22 (Canto VII - Hoarders and Wasters).jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on October 20, 2009. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2009-10-20. howcheng {chat} 22:00, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WikiCup Newsletter XXXIV

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Tristram Shandy

You commented that the requested changes would be difficult and time consuming for you. Actually this sort of thing is right up my alley. If you finish the long-awaited John Paul Jones restoration, I'll do this group for you. We might as well play to each other's strengths. But I do expect to keep things brisk and businesslike: strictly a drama-free zone. Durova331 05:03, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mentorship?

Hi there. I have, after careful consideration, decided to make the FP section my home here at Wikipedia. You all are nice people, and really, I love the work being done there. I have an interest in becoming more actively involved. Any guidence you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Please feel free to post on my talk page. Also, I am interested in learning the closing procedure, as that seems to be the key (unless you can edit or take great photos) to becoming a power player in the FP section.   Nezzadar ☎   17:54, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Please tell me what you are talking about

Reference your comment on my talk page at User_talk:Doug#Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion.2FValued_pictures_2, in precisely what way do you believe my closure was an attack and on whom?--Doug.(talk • contribs) 18:14, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

TB

Hello, Shoemaker's Holiday. You have new messages at Nezzadar's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Vauxhall Gardens
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured picture status, File:03193u Vauxhall Johnson, Mary Robinson, and so on 6.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Makeemlighter (talk) 01:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re:FP

Thanks. Sorry, timed for what? --Muhammad(talk) 12:43, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh :), it was there for a couple of seconds so it was not that difficult. --Muhammad(talk) 16:43, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The NOAA Weather Radio audio of a tornado warning issued for Greensburg, Kansas on May 4, 2007.

You seem to be very active in featured sounds, and having never worked in that particular area myself, I was wanting a second opinion if this audio would have reasonable chances of attaining featured sound status (i.e. if it meets the criteria (which I did look over and decided that it did), and if not, in what ways it could be improved). Thanks, Ks0stm If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. 22:08, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AfD nomination of List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming

An editor has nominated one or more articles which you have created or worked on, for deletion. The nominated article is List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming. We appreciate your contributions, but the nominator doesn't believe that the article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion and has explained why in his/her nomination (see also Wikipedia:Notability and "What Wikipedia is not").

Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion(s) by adding your comments to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming (3rd nomination). Please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~).

You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate.

Please note: This is an automatic notification by a bot. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 01:08, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

POTD notification

POTD

Hi SH,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Frans Hals, De magere compagnie.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on October 27, 2009. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2009-10-27. howcheng {chat} 04:24, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

B "R" B

Hey there, I am about to leave for my regular Sunday activity, I'll vote on what you want me to in roughly seven hours.   Nezzadar ☎   16:56, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Delaware Bay 1639
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Delaware Bay Vinckeboons 14.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Makeemlighter (talk) 20:55, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WikiCup Newsletter XXXV

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Lord Kitchener
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Lord_Kitchener_duty5.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Makeemlighter (talk) 00:32, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Dan'l Druce, Blacksmith - Illustrated London News, November 18, 1876.png
Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Dan'l Druce, Blacksmith - Illustrated London News, November 18, 1876.png, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. jjron (talk) 13:21, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Category Invite

Please add the category [[Category:Wikipedia Featured Picture contributors]] to your userpage. The category is for ease of access to a list of serial FP contributors, and will not be used for spam. Thanks,   Nezzadar ☎   17:11, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oversight

Arbcom has ruled in the past that private correspondence posted without the permission of all parties is removeable. Further, such correspondence may be inherently copyrighted, falling under "Removal of copyright infringement". I suggest you contact Mike Godwin for further details. -- Avi (talk) 19:48, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize if you think I was engaged in pomposity. However, I do believe that your closeness to this issue and the reaction it is causing in you is not allowing you to accept that even as stated, oversight was appropriate due to potential copyright violations and ArbCom's previous rulings that personal communications posted without the consent of all parties is removeable. Perhaps you are correct that the wikipage is outdated and needs clarification. I will bring this up to ArbCom and the Oversight list. Thank you! -- Avi (talk) 20:07, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AFeatured_picture_candidates&action=historysubmit&diff=322599373&oldid=322599123. -- Avi (talk) 20:20, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. -- Avi (talk) 20:43, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Halloween Hush Puppies.jpg
Photograph of my Halloween-themed Hush Puppies plush basset hounds in my bedroom.

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FS advice

What do you think of this file? Think it is restorable? I've never cleaned dust off a sound, so to speak. :) Staxringold talkcontribs 23:20, 31 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A heads-up

There's been a spate of anon edits to articles frequented by Rodgarton. The IPs are in the 120.1x.xxx.xxx range. I suspect these are Rodgarton himself, even though several of them appear to be attempts to remove material added by Rodgarton. In his sole edit, anon-ip editor 120.18.109.108 identifies himself as Rodgarton. --Rrburke(talk) 18:25, 1 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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File:WikiCup Medal Gold FX.png 2009 WikiCup Award: Most Featured Sounds in a Round
This WikiCup Award is awarded to Wales Shoemaker's Holiday for his achievement of contributing the most featured sounds in a round, with 15 in the fourth round. Congratulations!
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If you don't mind me asking...

If you don't mind me asking, why did you withdraw from the Wikicup? It seems like you might have won a trophy if you stayed in. Nezzadar [SPEAK] 05:37, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Tristram Shandy again

Can you provide an update on your progress with this image? If you cannot finish your edit within a week or so, I'd like to close this nom. You could then re-nominate whenever your edit is ready. I don't mean to rush you. I just like to get these suspended noms out of the way. Thanks. Makeemlighter (talk) 03:15, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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As a past WP:FOUR awardee you may wish to comment at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Four Award.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:29, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds in a Table

Hey SH, I was wondering if you could help me out. I'm looking for a way to get sounds into tables. I've made an example at User:Jujutacular/Sandbox, but I can't get it to look how I'd like it. If at all possible, I would like the sound to not take up too much room vertically, but still be playable without navigating away from the page. Do you know of anything I could do? Jujutacular T · C 00:52, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, I think I've got a good solution there now. Let me know if you think there's a better method though. Jujutacular T · C 02:01, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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You haven't been on in two and a half weeks. You okay? Nezzadar [SPEAK] 22:20, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I'm hopeful you'll make a speedy return and not let one person scare you away. upstateNYer 22:37, 19 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for participating in the 2009 Academy Content Drive. We appreciate your help in building this valuable resource! Maralia (talk) 03:51, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, you're pretty knowledgable with sound recordings so I'm assuming you'll be able to answer my question. I'm thinking of uploading some of my files to Wikipedia or Commons, but I'm not sure how they stand with regards to copyright law. In particular I'm wondering if sounds published and copyrighted before 1923 are in the public domain, as it is with print sources. It would make sense that sound recordings be included here as well, but it appears that some lawyers think otherwise, with different provisions for sound recordings such as those stated on this page. What is Wikipedia's practice for uploading pre-1923 sound files? If they are restricted, how do you go about finding recordings that are in the public domain, since you have a lot to your credit? Any help is appreciated. ThemFromSpace 20:09, 23 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi SH,

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Happy Thanksgiving!

Happy Thanksgiving!

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Wouldn't you know it

I'm back at WP:FS! In the 5-some-odd months I haven't been there, I've gotten access to ProTools, which has enabled me to touch up sounds like I could never do with Audacity. I've already gotten started with your cat's purr sound. Hope to see you at FS again soon! (X! · talk)  · @678  ·  15:17, 9 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Shoe, please remove it. I understand and sympathize with your frustration, but this isn't helping anything. Please consider doing the right thing. –Juliancolton | Talk 01:14, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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hope you're good

sorry to read of all the shenanigans - regardless of how you're feeling about Durova, this project, or interest rates and the global economic outlook - I hope you're good. I posted at your arb case request what I thought would be a good outcome, which would be apologies from R for oversighting something (which kind of just escalated matters) and an apology from Durova for being agressive and rude in that chat - regardless of context I think that would be a good thing. It's pretty vacuous advice in many ways - but try and chill a bit if you're feeling heated about all this - it'll come out in the wash in the end.... Privatemusings (talk) 22:10, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Query

Hi SH, I hope you don't mind me asking about this, but I was concerned to read your statement about possibly obtaining a grant to buy a scanner for your image restoration work. Could you give some more details of what was said exactly, and when this happened? SlimVirgin TALK contribs 05:17, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On a side-note regarding the matter: Logs of wild statements by Durova being quickly redacted from ANI? Secrets Durova can't tell us, that only ARBCOM know about? I'm not exactly a regular contributor in good standing, and I'm not taking sides, but I'm having flashbacks here! RayBarker (talk) 06:59, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. Your comment made snide remarks about the "original restoration".
  2. It has not escaped the Committee's notice that you uploaded that file to Commons after the Wikipedia ban was in place. Again, we cannot stop you from pursuing these disputes on Commons, but that you have elected to do so does not give you immunity when you decide to re-import those disputes here.
  3. You were blocked for your activities on Wikipedia, not your activities on Commons.
  4. I did note the block on your talk page. You promptly removed the notice. Steve Smith (talk) 20:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It is impossible to discuss why paper was cloned in at the top without mentioning the restoration crops very tightly in that area. That's basic discussion. You specifically excluded Commons, don't try to drag it back in, after excluding it. Shoemaker's Holiday talk 20:48, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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