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greetings from a trip -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

back home: what do you think about Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:19, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

As someone who knows little about music and especially classical music, I can appreciate how difficult some of his pieces are to play. Yourself? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 18:39, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

(I didn't mean the music - sadly: of course not - but how a user new to a certain topic that I'm not supposed to mention is treated. I was new to it in 2012.) - I uploaded pics of a trip that was a 10-day celebration of a 16 November event, but the day was also when a dear friend died. We sang Hevenu shalom aleichem at his funeral yesterday, and it was good. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:01, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Palestine-Israel articles 5 arbitration case opened

You offered a statement in an arbitration enforcement referral. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 5. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 5/Evidence. Please add your evidence by 23:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC), which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 5/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Party Guide/Introduction. For the Arbitration Committee, SilverLocust 💬 06:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Invitation to provide feedback

Hello talk page watchers. Inspired by Worm That Turned's re-RfA where he noted administrators don't get a lot of feedback or suggestions for improvement, I have decided to solicit feedback.I hope you will consider taking a few moments to fill out my feedback form. Clicking on the link will load the questions and create a new section on my user talk. Thanks for your consideration. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:33, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

1.5 stars, spammed my watchlist with feedback requests. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:39, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

I thought about doing it via MMS rather than manually but my guess is that would have also spammed it. Sorry for the flood on your watchlist but knowing how big your watchlist is it'll be knocked off the visible top in like the next hour. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

It's already halfway down, so it shouldn't be much longer. Busy day, can tell everyone is back at work after the long holiday weekend. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:46, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

I have a positive opinion of you. I'm not sure why. It's just a general feeling of satisfaction when I see your username cross my watchlist. Jehochman ^Talk 01:19, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Jehochman, it's because it feels like your drink is about to arrive ;) ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:28, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Good admin; would support again. Communication makes thought processes transparent, and is thorough without being exhaustive or tedious. Reasonable person, strong work ethic. Downsides: despite promising "Bark" substring, dog puns difficult and largely unsuccessful. Folly Mox (talk) 13:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Folly. I appreciate the kind words. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:27, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Feedback from Buidhe

1. Thing(s) I would like Barkeep to continue doing — although I don't really follow admin stuff too much, I do believe that you are a net positive as admin and therefore hope you do not resign
2. Thing(s) I wish would Barkeep would stop/ things I wish Barkeep would do differently — although I am skeptical of the firewall that arbcom tries to place between conduct and content issues, if you are going to wade into content issues (such as whether some country has a "right to exist" or not) it's important to be informed about the content in question—see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive344#Nableezy where I hope you took into consideration the criticism of the assumption you made going in
3. (Optional) Questions I have for Barkeep
4. (Optional) Other feedback I want Barkeep to know

   Thanks Buidhe for the feedback. To your second point I do take it seriously and it's why I started by asking questions while also being transparent about my thinking behind it and then listening seriously to the answers. So I agree with your point and will endeavor to do it even better in the future. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – December 2024

News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2024).

Administrator changes

• Ahecht
• DoubleGrazing
• Dr vulpes
• FOARP
• Peaceray
• Queen of Hearts
• Rsjaffe
• SD0001
• SilverLocust
• Sohom Datta
• ThadeusOfNazereth
• Voorts

• Ajpolino
• Fathoms Below
• Pppery
• Tamzin
• Worm That Turned

• Aervanath
• Christopher Sundita
• Dank
• Dennis Brown
• Dragons flight
• Fastily
• Graham87
• JaGa
• Kbh3rd
• Marine 69-71
• Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington
• Yamamoto Ichiro

Interface administrator changes

• SD0001
• Sohom Datta

Pppery

CheckUser changes

• Spicy
• TheresNoTime

Guideline and policy news

• Following an RFC, the policy on restoration of adminship has been updated. All former administrators may now only regain the tools following a request at the Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard within 5 years of their most recent admin action. Previously this applied only to administrators deysopped for inactivity.
• Following a request for comment, a new speedy deletion criterion, T5, has been enacted. This applies to template subpages that are no longer used.

Technical news

• Technical volunteers can now register for the 2025 Wikimedia Hackathon, which will take place in Istanbul, Turkey. Application for travel and accommodation scholarships is open from November 12 to December 10, 2024.

Arbitration

• The arbitration case Yasuke (formerly titled Backlash to diversity and inclusion) has been closed.
• An arbitration case titled Palestine-Israel articles 5 has been opened. Evidence submissions in this case will close on 14 December.

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Feedback from RoySmith

My apologies for blowing off the 4 question format, but I just want to say that when you were on arbcom, you always struck me as one of the few adults in the room. I get why you left, but I hope you'll go back once you've got the U4C thing out of your system. RoySmith (talk) 16:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback Roy. got the U4C thing out of your system is an amusing way to hear that work of mine described, though I do appreciate what I perceive as the background thought: the U4C is a distraction from the core work we do on enwiki. Making that statement true is a major reason I've done this work for closing in on 4 years now. So I'm not sure I'm going to ever get it out of my system but I hope to reach a point where I feel like I will have done what I set out to do. I am also really enjoying not having the constraints of being an Arb - for instance I've once again had headspace to do content work when I've had the time and I love doing content work. Producing high quality content is why we're all here and so returning to those roots is really important to me. However, I did take satisfaction in the work I did as an arb and there are things about that work I miss, so I could see myself standing for election again someday. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 18:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Feedback from Clovermoss

1. Thing(s) I would like Barkeep to continue doing
2. Thing(s) I wish would Barkeep would stop/ things I wish Barkeep would do differently
3. (Optional) Questions I have for Barkeep
4. (Optional) Other feedback I want Barkeep to know

• I think barkeep should do whatever they feel like doing and I trust them. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks CleverClover. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:25, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Feedback from Floq

• Pros
  • I think we tend to generally agree on the important things, and when we do disagree, you're wrong in reasonable, thoughtful ways. :)
  • Protecting enwiki from U4C or C4C or U4U or whatever the hell it is.
• Cons
  • I'm not on your list of people who could recall you?? That hurts.
  • Your automatic feedback form autofills the section as "Feedback from Barkeep49" unless you remember to change it.
• Overall score
  • 95% (98% if you add me to the recall list)

--Floquenbeam (talk) 22:15, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Floq for the feedback. I have no idea why I didn't include you on this list. I am pleased to have this be an exception to me being wrong in a thoughtful way. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 23:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Feedback from Risker

I think Clovermoss has it right: keep doing what you're doing, as long as you're getting a level of satisfaction from doing it. I'm happy to see you taking your extensive experience from English Wikipedia to a global level, and I hope that you bring back what you learn from working with global teams to share here on Enwiki. I think our project benefits greatly from this kind of diverse perspective and, as you are a good communicator, there's a reasonable hope that such messages will sink in to a few more people. We do tend to be quite insular on this project, although we'll make exceptions for Commons and Wikidata. I like seeing that you're puttering in the broad range of admin/functionary tasks, including SPI and XfD.

I'm really happy to see you returning into the content sphere, and am inspired to work much harder at doing that, too.

The one thing I would suggest is pacing yourself. It's hard to do when you're working on things that you feel are important/time-sensitive/valuable, but burnout is a real thing. Personally, I'm in favour of reading cheap trashy novels and long drives to see people I like or go places that are interesting, but I'm sure you have your own ways of bleeding off frustration. Risker (talk) 00:22, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I too am hopeful of bringing back things from other projects. For instance, I have found value in the way dewiki ArbCom does its case requests and I am considering bringing back an element from another project's blocking policy which I like. And yes continuing to find joy in our volunteer work is important. It is why, as you note, I'm happy to have headspace for content again. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:14, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Feedback from PMC

1. Thing(s) I would like Barkeep to continue doing: Being a voice of reason and gentle good humor
2. Thing(s) I wish would Barkeep would stop/ things I wish Barkeep would do differently: Write more content so I can do GA/FA review for you, because I feel like that would be fun

That's it, man. Keep being you :) ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:34, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks PMC. As for me writing GA/FA I will definitely take you up on it. I am determined to get YouTube up to GA so be careful what you wish for (though I would bet I get something else up to GA/FL before that - no immediate plans for any FAs). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:17, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Heya

Hey Barkeep, I got your note asking for feedback and per the others here I'll skip the questions you asked and just say the things I wanted to say.

My thoughts are almost universally positive. As you know, I've known you for a long time in wikiyears, and there possibly is nobody I'd trust more. The thoughtfulness, good faith, and sheer volume of work you bring to this community is very near unparalleled, and I'm beyond grateful for your presence here, both personally and when thinking about the future of this project.

In struggling to offer some actionable feedback, here's what I do want to mention: We really don't have a lot of barkeeps in this project. By that, I mean that we don't have many folks at all (right now, maybe just you) with the combination of availability, dedication, energy, gregariousness, precision of analytical thought, and ability and willingness to do the work that you bring to the table. I know that all sounds like a compliment, and it is that too, but my point is this: you're in a position to build new structures, institutions, and processes that will hopefully stand the test of time, both at enwiki and globally. To do that, you can't assume there will always be a barkeep49 ready to save the day. By that, I mean that there will be times – years at a time, even – when ArbCom, or the U4C, or whichever other body that comes along has nobody with that combination of qualities, and we need to build structures and institutions that are able to muddle along just fine in that case, even without someone like you. I think this is a hard message to internalize, because it's hard for anyone in particular to view themselves as that unusual (without being a bit of a narcissist, maybe). But my point is that you really should view your presence as an exceptional thing, and that you should not count on the availability of someone like you to serve on the bodies you are designing and getting off the ground, in the long run.

I hope you get what I'm trying to get at. Anyway, as you know, I've been concerned for some time about the long-term sustainability, relevance, utility, and health of the projects and the associated communities, and it is people like you who make me feel optimistic that we can still get through this. No pressure :)

Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 19:10, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Let me also say that I think this request for feedback idea is a good one and I think a lot of people would benefit from it. Thinking back on my own wikijourney, the last time I've really heard substantive feedback from a bunch of people was my own RfA, over six years ago now. And I think that both sides of the coin are valuable in different ways: of course actionable feedback for self-improvement is helpful, but hearing the reaffirmations of trust and appreciation can also be very important to both the effectiveness and enjoyment of this work. And there are many ways in which both of those (but perhaps the latter especially) are harder to access the longer one has been around the project. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 19:27, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Kevin. There's a lot to think about here. I'm not even sure where to start on the capacity building you mention (even if I don't 100% subscribe to the way you think I'm unique). My attempt at capacity building had been RfA. But as you know, I've had to put those activities on pause because I couldn't do that with enough remove; what happened around RfA made me reconsider my entire involvement in the project. Ultimately I decided the right answer for me was to step away from RfA while continuing other activities. So yes I agree with your general comment about capacity building (it was something I did at NPP when I was active there). If you come up with anything specific there I would love to hear it because my best answer so far has been to write about those things. But I will also give it more thought. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:24, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, thanks. I think what I was getting at is that we need to build systems and institutions that are resilient to the lack of people like you, at least for a time, which may sometimes mean shifting the expectations we have for volunteer-driven work. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 18:11, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Feedback from Epicgenius

1. Thing(s) I would like Barkeep to continue doing: I've found you to be a level-headed admin who's always willing to offer a helping hand. Like PMC, I think you are doing well at being a voice of reason, so you should keep it up. Cliched as this may sound, admin or not, you are a positive presence on Wikipedia.
2. Thing(s) I wish would Barkeep would stop/ things I wish Barkeep would do differently: Unfortunately I don't know what feedback to provide in this regard. In my view, you have it pretty much nailed down; if anything, there should be more admins who are like you. I do realize that this would be a tall order, though, like L235 mentions above. Other than that, I suggest jumping back into content creation, even if only occasionally (I see you're already doing that). It'll be fun.
3. (Optional) Questions I have for Barkeep: I don't have any questions.
4. (Optional) Other feedback I want Barkeep to know: I don't have a list of things I wish you'd stop/do differently, at the moment, so I'm not sure how useful my feedback is. Personally I think you are doing a great job, but I do think it's worth soliciting feedback from folks who may have had disagreements with you. Epicgenius (talk) 16:42, 6 December 2024 (UTC)