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== Requested move 20 June 2018 ==
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:''The following is a closed discussion of a [[WP:requested moves|requested move]]. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a [[Wikipedia:move review|move review]]. No further edits should be made to this section. ''
The result of the move request was: '''consensus not to move''' the page at this time, per the discussion below. [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]]<small>[[User talk:Dekimasu|よ!]]</small> 06:14, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
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[[:Broadway (Manhattan)]] → {{no redirect|Broadway (Manhattan–Westchester)}} – Four years ago in January 2014, there [[Talk:Broadway_(Manhattan)#RfC:_What_is_the_best_name_for_the_article_about_the_street_called_"Broadway"_which_originates_in_Manhattan?|was a Request for Comment]] about what the best name for this article could be. It was in response to my failed [[Talk:Broadway_(Manhattan)#Suggested move|move request]] that month. This article was originally called [[Broadway (New York City)]], but there are several streets named Broadway in New York City (actually in all five boroughs). The consensus was "move to Broadway (Manhattan)".
However, the current title is inadequate because this street also passes through the Bronx and Westchester County. Only the southern half of Broadway (the subject of this article) is in Manhattan; the street itself has its northern terminus in Westchester. There was one option that was never discussed: having the two termini of the street in the article name, separated by an en dash. It's based off a [[WP:USSH]] policy where ambiguous multi-state interstates use only the terminal state names, separated by an en dash. Although this isn't an Interstate highway, it concurs with [[U.S. Route 9 in New York]].
In any case, I'm suggesting either [[Broadway (Manhattan–Westchester)]] or [[Broadway (Westchester–Manhattan)]]. This naming is per [[WP:PRECISE]]: {{tq|Usually, titles should be precise enough to unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but no more precise than that}} - this shows that the scope is not only about the street in Manhattan, but also its continuation to Westchester, without making the title unnecessarily long by placing "Bronx" in the name.
[[User:Epicgenius|epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 17:30, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose'''. I think the current title is fine, as there is really no confusion with the current title over which Broadway the article is about. [[User:Rreagan007|Rreagan007]] ([[User talk:Rreagan007|talk]]) 18:26, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
**I agree that the disambiguator is not confusing. It's factually incorrect because this Broadway is not ''only'' in Manhattan, but also stretches through the Bronx and Westchester. [[User:Epicgenius|epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 18:52, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - Disambiguators are simply shorthand ways of distinguishing between subjects, intended to help our readers. They are not detailed descriptions of the subject matter, which takes place in the article itself. [[Broadway (Westchester County)]], [[Broadway (Bronx)]] and [[Broadway (The Bronx)]] all redirect to [[Broadway (Manhattan)]], and the opening sentence of the article specifies that Broadway runs through Manhattan, the Bronx and parts of Westchester. This is sufficient. Further, the previous RfC was exhaustive in dealing with multiple possibilities for the article's title, and there really was no overwhelming need to re-open the subject. I suggest that the RfC be withdrawn by the initiator. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 19:25, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
:*Nominator's note: this is an '''RM''' (requested move), not an '''RFC'''. As to your suggestion, I'm keeping this requested move up for seven days just to gauge if there will be further comments. [[User:Epicgenius|epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 23:48, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
::*Well, a RfC about an article's title and an RM about moving an article (i.e. changing its title), that's kinda a distinction without a difference, innit? [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 00:00, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
:::*Yeah. And what's your point? [[User:Epicgenius|epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 00:07, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
::::*That your comment that <blockquote>"this is an '''RM''' (requested move), not an '''RFC'''"</blockquote> was rather pointless, since the RfC sought to do exactly what an RM would do. Or did you have a purpose that I am too dense to understand? [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 00:39, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::*I will note that the closing statement for that RfC said: <blockquote>Of the options presented, Broadway (Manhattan) seems to have easily the most support as the article title.</blockquote> There were '''''nine''''' options presented. I see absolutely no reason for this RM given the exhaustiveness of the RfC. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 00:46, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
::::::*Are you suggesting that I should create a more exhaustive RFC? The currently proposed title wasn't part of the nine options you suggested. I'll count them. There were three compound suggestions: [[Broadway (Manhattan and the Bronx)]], [[Broadway (Manhattan, the Bronx and Westchester)]], and [[Broadway (New York City and Westchester)]]. And there were five other renaming options with single disambiguators of SE NY/Manhattan/NYC/NY/no disambiguator at all. The ninth option isn't even a new name, it's simply a suggestion to split the article. In none of these versions was a title with ''any'' dashes even suggested. That's why I'm suggesting it now, because by all means naming the termini of the street is pretty precise, I'd think. [[User:Epicgenius|epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 01:07, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
:::::::*No, I am saying that opening this RM was unnecessary, and you should withdraw it. [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 01:40, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' "Westchester" is an incorrect endpoint for this disambiguator in any event; "Broadway" exists as the name for [[U.S. Route 9 in New York|Route 9]] as far north as (in my experience) [[Red Hook (village), New York|Red Hook]]. However, this name is, unlike [[Yonge Street]], not continuous, so an article built around that would make no sense. [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 20:38, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Move to [[Broadway (New York)]]'''. Not only is this the most factually correct since Broadway passes through at least 3 counties of New York State, only two of which are in New York City, but more importantly, "New York" is by far the most [[WP:RECOGNIZE|recognizable]] way to disambiguate the Broadway that most people are looking for, on a worldwide basis. Not everyone who wants information about Broadway will necessarily know in advance that Manhattan is part of New York, but they will know Broadway is in New York. It's true there are other Broadways in other parts of New York, but their notability pales in comparison to the world-famous thoroughfare, and can be easily handled with the hatnote already on this article. [[User:Station1|Station1]] ([[User talk:Station1|talk]]) 02:00, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
:*Sorry, but this is simply not accurate, as there are unrelated Broadways in Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island and on Roosevelt Island. There are most probably other Broadways elsewhere in New York State that are not related to this Broadway. All of these can be described as "Broadway (New York)". [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 03:34, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
::*I think I addressed that in the last sentence of my comment. [[User:Station1|Station1]] ([[User talk:Station1|talk]]) 03:42, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
:::*Regardless of the notability of other Broadways in New York, I have to agree with BMK. Having said that, if you look along US 9 north of Westchester County, you'll see plenty of other segments that are named "Broadway," even though like in NYC, US 9 leaves Broadway in Saratoga Springs. Then again, you'll also find segments of [[Albany Post Road]] that aren't part of US 9 as well. For the record, I'm okay with a rename, but I'm not sure the current suggestion would be the right one. ---------[[User:DanTD]] ([[User talk:DanTD|talk]]) 13:48, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' – The current title, Broadway (Manhattan), conforms with [[WP:TITLE]]: it's "short, natural, distinguishable and recognizable". Using "(Manhattan–Westchester)" as disambiguator fails [[WP:DESCRIPDIS]]: "use only as much additional detail as necessary" ([[WP:CONCISE]]). -- [[User:Michael Bednarek|Michael Bednarek]] ([[User talk:Michael Bednarek|talk]]) 06:09, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
**Actually, this falls under [[WP:PARENDIS]], not [[WP:DESCRIPDIS]] since the title being suggested uses a parenthetical disambiguator. In any case the current title is incorrect, it talks about Broadway in the Bronx and Westchester. Thus it fails [[WP:PRECISE]], as I just added in my nomination rationale above. [[User:Epicgenius|epicgenius]] ([[User talk:Epicgenius|talk]]) 13:25, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' as Broadway is primarily known as being in Manhattan, hence the term Broadway theatre. <b style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC">[[User:CookieMonster755|<span style="color:blue">CookieMonster755</span>]][[User talk:CookieMonster755|<span style="color:green">✉</span>]]</b> 02:39, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
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