
The TJ Podcast
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L&D needs to stop talking about learning, with Cathy Hoy – episode 332
Should L&D leaders stop talking about learning?
In the latest TJ podcast, Jo Cook speaks with Cathy Hoy about what it really takes to step up as an L&D leader.
They discuss commercial confidence, getting closer to the business, moving beyond delivery, the limits of obsessing over ROI, and why strategic thinking needs protected time.
A particularly strong challenge from Cathy: if you want to lead L&D, understand the business first.
Links from the podcast:
TJ L&D Influence Report 2026
Contribute to our continuing research!
CLO100Edited with Camtasia from TechSmith

Building L&D influence in a changing world, with Don Taylor - episode 331
Jo Cook is joined by Donald H Taylor to explore what L&D needs to do differently in a rapidly changing world. They discuss why showing value has become an urgent priority, what strategic influence really looks like, the skills L&D Leaders need to develop, and how AI is reshaping the profession. They also consider the impact of Covid, uncertainty about L&D’s future and whether we’re losing some of the conversational skills that underpin relationships, listening and influence at work.
Links from the podcast:
Contribute to our continuing research!
Don Taylor's Global Sentiment Survey 2026
Edited with Camtasia from TechSmith

The rise of the supermanager: Why AI transformation still needs human leadership - episode
Jo Cook speaks with Julia Bersin from The Josh Bersin Company about the rise of the “supermanager” in the age of AI. They explore why managers remain vital to trust, adoption and performance as organisations invest in AI tools. Julia shares research insights on how managers can use AI to become better people leaders, while helping their teams experiment, learn and adapt.
Links from the podcast:
TJ article including transcript (TBC)
Edited with Camtasia from TechSmith

Learning’s human heartbeat: L&D then and now – episode 329
At TJ’s 60th Anniversary Conference, Andrew Jacobs discusses with Laura Overton and Kirsty Lewis what L&D has gained and lost over six decades. The exploration goes from laserdiscs to AI, classrooms to communities, and why social, human learning still matters more than ever for performance, culture, connection and future readiness.
Links from the podcast:
Speakers:

Beyond courses: How AI transforms L&D into a strategic business partnership – episode 328
Jo Cook, Josh Bersin, and Erica Farmer explore how AI is shifting L&D from static courses to dynamic, personalised support, featuring real examples, AI coaching, smarter content curation, and a sharper focus on business impact.
Links from the podcast
TJ's 60th anniversary conference
Thanks to TechSmith for providing Camtasia and Audiate for editing
Guests

From talk to transformation – the art of effective facilitation – episode 327
In this episode, we explore the subtle (and not-so-subtle)differences between teaching, training, and facilitation—and why they matter more than you might think. From accidental facilitators to seasoned pros, our guests share honest reflections, practical approaches, and cautionary talesabout what makes learning stick. We dive into the skills that set great facilitators apart, the common mistakes that derail engagement and impact, and why designing for learning transfer is non-negotiable. Whether you're delivering in person or online, this is a conversation packed with insight,energy, and plenty of reminders that good delivery is about more than just good slides.Links from the podcast:
Will Thalheimer’s research paper “Does eLearning Work?”
SOFest – School of Facilitation learning festival in June 2025
HR Unconference from Fiona McBride
Facilitation Shindigs from Julie Drybrough
Thanks to TechSmith for providing Camtasia and Audiate for editing
Guests
If you have something new to share with the L&D community and would like to be part of TJ’s podcasts. Contact the Editor Jo Cook.

NotebookLM, Neuroscience and magazine flashback - episode 326
This episode uses artificial intelligence dive into neuroscience for learning, to look back at a Training Journal magazine and update it with current articles.
Links include:
Neuroscience and the learning brain: Is there a better way?
Using neuroscience in learning
Training Journal magazine January 2018
Thanks to TechSmith for providing Camtasia and Audiate for editing.
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Reflections on a week in the life series - episode 325
This episode authors reflect on what they shared in their A Week In The Life Of series, links to their articles below:
A week in the life of: The Editor of Training Journal
A week in the life of: The CEO of a learning business community and Learning Network board member
A week in the life of: A Leadership Development Manager
A week in the life of: A Learning Community Manager
A week in the life of: The Editor of Learning News
Speakers include:
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Gender, AI, and the pursuit of equity - episode 324
Speakers include: Ercia Farmer
Links from the podcast content:
Text to speech from Elevenlabs
Survey: Investigating gender equity in L&D
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News Insight: Lots of stress and overwhelm, fears about skills and digital timeout - episode 323
This is the News Insight, where Editor Jo Cook looks at the newsflash and highlights important stories.
This podcast references items you can read more about in this Newsflash article:
https://www.trainingjournal.com/2024/content-type/news/tj-newsflash-2-october-lots-of-stress-and-overwhelm-fears-about-skills-and-digital-timeout If you have something new to share with the L&D community and would like to be part of TJ’s podcasts. Contact the Editor Jo Cook. If you want to keep up with everything Training Journal, subscribe to our newsletter.

News Insight: Intelligent managers, work-related stress and job-hopping - episode 322
This is the News Insight, where Editor Jo Cook looks at the newsflash and highlights important stories.
This podcast references items you can read more about in this Newsflash article: https://www.trainingjournal.com/2024/content-type/news/tj-newsflash-4-september-intelligent-managers-work-related-stress-and-job-hopping If you have something new to share with the L&D community and would like to be part of TJ’s podcasts. Contact the Editor Jo Cook. If you want to keep up with everything Training Journal, subscribe to our newsletter.

News Insight: Switching off, diversity dive in, cybersecurity report - episode 321
This is the News Insight, where Editor Jo Cook looks at the newsflash and highlights important stories.
This podcast references items you can read more about in this Newsflash article: https://www.trainingjournal.com/2024/content-type/news/tj-newsflash-21-august-switching-off-diversity-dive-in-cybersecurity-report-an-ai-investments This article is mentioned:
If you have something new to share with the L&D community and would like to be part of TJ’s podcasts. Contact the Editor Jo Cook. If you want to keep up with everything Training Journal, subscribe to our newsletter.

News Insight: AI framework, memory formation and increased demand for employee support - episode 320
This is the News Insight, where Editor Jo Cook looks at the newsflash and highlights important stories.
This podcast references items you can read more about in this Newsflash article: https://www.trainingjournal.com/2024/content-type/news/tj-newsflash-14-august-ai-framework-memory-formation-and-increased-demand-for-employee-support These two podcasts are mentioned:
Artificial intelligence in L&D - episode 313
AI and L&D: enhancing human capability - episode 314
If you have something new to share with the L&D community and would like to be part of TJ’s podcasts. Contact the Editor Jo Cook. If you want to keep up with everything Training Journal, subscribe to our newsletter.

News Insight: High temperatures, AI boom threatened, fertility challenges at work and Fiverr is now a freelance hiring platform - - episode 319
This is the News Insight, where Editor Jo Cook looks at the newsflash and highlights important stories.
This podcast references items you can read more about in this Newsflash article: https://www.trainingjournal.com/2024/content-type/news/tj-newsflash-31-july-high-temperatures-ai-boom-threatened-fertility-challenges-at-work-and-fiverr-is-now-a-freelance-hiring-platform
This is the book mentioned, Code Dependent:
If you have something new to share with the L&D community and would like to be part of TJ’s podcasts. Contact the Editor Jo Cook. If you want to keep up with everything Training Journal, subscribe to our newsletter.

Disruption in work and learning - episode 318
In this episode, experts from the Learning and Development field discuss navigating disruption caused by AI, societal changes, and evolving learner behaviours. Key insights include leveraging disruption for innovation, the importance of accessibility in DEI efforts, and the shift towards meeting learners on modern platforms. Emphasising a purpose-driven approach, the episode provides actionable advice for leaders and trainers to harness change effectively.
Speakers include:
If you have something new to share with the L&D community and would like to be part of TJ’s podcasts. Contact the Editor Jo Cook. If you want to keep up with everything Training Journal, subscribe to our newsletter.

News Insight: AI, productivity killers, disability inclusion event and more - episode 317
This is the News Insight, where Editor Jo Cook looks at the newsflash and highlights important points!
This podcast references stories you can read more about in this Newsflash article: https://www.trainingjournal.com/2024/content-type/news/tj-newsflash-17-july-ai-productivity-killers-disability-inclusion-event-and-more
If you want to join in the conversation on LinkedIn, this is your link!
If you have something new to share with the L&D community and would like to be part of TJ’s podcasts. Contact the Editor Jo Cook. If you want to keep up with everything Training Journal, subscribe to our newsletter.

News Insight: workload increase, skills development paradox and sustainability - episode 316
This is the News Insight, where Editor Jo Cook looks at the newsflash and highlights important points!
This podcast references stories you can read more about in this Newsflash article: https://www.trainingjournal.com/2024/content-type/news/tj-newsflash-10-july-workload-increase-skills-development-paradox-sustainability-and-more
If you have something new to share with the L&D community and would like to be part of TJ’s podcasts. Contact the Editor Jo Cook. If you want to keep up with everything Training Journal, subscribe to our newsletter.

News Insight: freelancing, HR you wouldn't recommend and hope - episode 315
This is the News Insight, where Editor Jo Cook looks at the newsflash and highlights important points!
This is referring to Newsflash 2nd July 2024 https://www.trainingjournal.com/2024/content-type/news/tj-newsflash-3-july-freelance-network-university-not-good-enough-hr-companies-that-dont-get-recommended-and-of-course-more
If you have something new to share with the L&D community and would like to be part of TJ’s podcasts. Contact the Editor Jo Cook. If you want to keep up with everything Training Journal, subscribe to our newsletter.

AI and L&D: enhancing human capability - episode 314
This episode gathers insights from L&D leaders on AI's transformative role in education and training. It explores AI literacy, the evaluation of tools, and the ethical use of technology, emphasizing AI as both a tool and teammate. The discussion underscores the importance of human insight in leveraging AI to enhance learning outcomes.
Speakers include: Trish Uhl
Links from the discussion:
Editor's blog - don't rush to trust ChatGPT
If you have something new to share with the L&D community and would like to be part of TJ’s podcasts. Contact the Editor Jo Cook. If you want to keep up with everything Training Journal, subscribe to our newsletter.

Artificial intelligence in L&D - episode 313
The TJ podcast has a host of L&D experts talk through the Artificial Intelligence in workplace learning, including about digital adoption, impact on our L&D jobs and the opportunity of productivity growth.
Speakers include:
Links from the discussion:
Pace of Change - Futrcolab
Yolanda Gil, director of AI and data science initiatives at USC comment
John Maynard Keynes 1930 paper
AI market size - Grand View Research
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Challenges and practitioner focus - episode 312
The TJ podcast has a host of L&D experts talk through the challenges, leadership and practitioner focus for workplace learning.
Speakers include:
Links from the discussion:
CIPD report L&D: New challenges, new approaches
Future of Jobs Report from the World Economic ForumTJ article Spotlight on critical reflection by Mary HolmesIf you have something new to share with the L&D community and would like to be part of TJ’s podcasts. Contact the Editor Jo Cook. If you want to keep up with everything Training Journal, subscribe to our newsletter.

L&D predictions and hopes for 2024 - episode 311
The re-launched TJ podcast has a host of L&D experts talk through predictions and hopes for workplace learning in 2024.
We talk about AI, hybrid work, organisational effectiveness, accessibility and more.
Speakers include:
If you have something new to share with the L&D community and would like to be part of TJ’s podcasts. Contact the Editor Jo Cook. If you want to keep up with everything Training Journal, subscribe to our newsletter.
Episode 311

January 2024 Teaser
Coming soon...!

The TJ Podcast August 2022
Joanne Lockwood believes that the world isn’t just black and white but rather a multitude of perspectives that all have value and by taking a narrow view of our world we miss so much.
In this interview she tells of her own identity journey to become a transgender woman, the reconciliation of family to this change, her new business and why diversity and inclusion is vital to organisations, communities, and families and why we must all be advocates of those seeking to ‘belong’.
To contact Joanne and find out more about what she does visit her LinkedIn page or follow on Twitter @jo_lockwood1965
If you have something new to share with the L&D community and would like to be part of TJ’s podcasts. Contact the editor Debbie Carter
Episode 309

The TJ Podcast: May 2022
Welcome to the TJ Podcast: May 2022

The TJ Podcast: January 2022
Looking to the future: what does 2022 hold for organisations, their leaders and people?
Questions under discussion:
What do these changes mean to organisations and their people and how are we changing the way we manage people and processes as a result?
What skills will we need in this need 21st century workplace and how do we ensure people are engaged in a fast-paced learning journey as skills are likely to continue to change at speed?
What role will technology play in this new environment and how confident are L&D professionals in meeting these new demands for skills and managing a range of complex learning tools?
Speakers
Amy Smyth is head of Head of Right Management’s Centre of Excellence in EMEA and market vice president for European Sales. @RightUpdates
Jennifer C Loftus is a founding partner of, and national director for, the New York City-based Astron Solutions. @AstronSolutions
Host
Jo Cook has been part of the TJ Podcasts since their inception. Jo is founder and director of Lightbulb Moment. @LightbulbJo

The TJ Podcast: December 2021
After a bit of a break the TJ Podcast is back! With a new format, this month we discuss mentoring with Rashim Mogha from Skillsoft, Jenn Labin from MentorcliQ, and Ady Howes from Digital Skills people - the fabulous Jo Cook is your host

#TJtalks: Jon Kennard on his time as editor of TJ
Co-host Jo Cook turns the tables on Jon to look at his tenure of TJ since becoming editor back in 2017.

The TJ Podcast: September 2021
Here it is, friends. Have a listen as we very briefly wrap up four years of great audio content.
(I'm hoping my replacement will carry it on)

#TJtalks: Paul Matthews on defining learning workflow
He's back! Paul Matthews makes a return to the TJ podcast interview series to discuss his newest interest: learning workflows. For technical reasons too boring to explain there's no intro from Jon, but the conversation with Paul is as good as ever.

#TJtalks: Jane Rennie on resilience in hospitality, remote worker loneliness and more
Jon chats to the founder of the Extraordinary Training Company, Jane Rennie, about Scotland, resilience, hospitality, train the trainer and much much more.

The TJ Podcast: August 2021
Kate, Jo and Jon discuss innovation myths, acquisitions, languishing, the 2040 office and more. Andrew Jacobs joins to talk about his podcast, 'Women talking about learning'. It's the last regular podcast with these three presenters! Don't miss out.
Links:

#TJtalks: Hannah Ford on resolving workplace tensions around furlough
Jon talks to employment lawyer Hannah Ford about furlough, workplace tensions and the way to keep a disparate workforce together.

#TJtalks: Renato Profico on joining Doodle and their research into workplace meetings
Jon talks to CEO of Doodle Renato Profico about careers in tech, research into workplace meetings and more.
Find out more about Renato here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/profico

#TJtalks: Andrew Jacobs on women talking about learning
Why has a man set up a podcast for women talking about learning? Andrew Jacobs is here to tell us.
It's a great chat so give it a listen, and subscribe to Andrew's excellent podcast here.

In conversation with Thinqi: Part three - learning analytics
The final part: Join TJ editor Jon Kennard as he concludes his conversation with Steve Finch, head of customer success at digital learning experts Thinqi, and Krystyna Gadd, founder of How to Accelerate Learning and author of 'How Not To Waste Your Money On Training'. In the final episode they talk vanity metrics, triangulation, analytics tips and much more.

#TJtalks: Alison Jones on the world of business book publishing
Alison Jones from Practical Inspiration Publishing talks all things business book-related. Best practice, writer's block, self publishing, crazy book challenges and more.
Find out more about her work here: https://practicalinspiration.com/
and that great microphone she's using is here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00KQPGRRE

The TJ Podcast: July 2021
Jon, Jo and Kate chew the fat over some great content, a sprinkling of acquisitions news and a future personnel change at TJ. Vitality's Judy Parfitt discusses their recent report into hybrid working in partnership with the RSA.
Links:

In conversation with Thinqi: Part two - learning design
Part two of a three-part special: Join TJ editor Jon Kennard as he carries on his conversation with Steve Finch, head of customer success at digital learning experts Thinqi, and Krystyna Gadd, founder of How to Accelerate Learning and author of 'How Not To Waste Your Money On Training'. In episode two they talk death by Zoom, the false dichotomy of going back to face to face or not, positive learning design and more.

#TJtalks: Steve Knapp on sales skills, trends and strategy
Jon talks to Steve Knapp of Plan.Grow.Do about skills for modern selling. They talk trends, strategy, future-proofing ideas and more.

#TJtalks: Judy Parfitt on the Healthy Hybrid Working report
Vitality Chief People Officer Judy Parfitt joins Jon to look at the findings from the Healthy Hybrid Working report, an insight collaboration between her company and the RSA.

In conversation with Thinqi: Part one - collaborative and social learning
A three-part special: Join TJ editor Jon Kennard as he chats to Steve Finch, head of customer success at digital learning experts Thinqi, and Krystyna Gadd, founder of How to Accelerate Learning and author of 'How Not To Waste Your Money On Training'. In episode one they discuss social learning, collaborative learning, 70:20:10, the effects of the pandemic and much much more.

#TJtalks: Amanda Simpson on mentoring, leadership and management
Jon talks to Amanda Simpson from SVC Solutions about mentoring, leadership, management and a whole lot more.

#TJtalks: Phil Friedman on AR in 2021
Jon and Phil Friedman, CEO of CGS, look at the state of AR in 2021. What's new, what's better and how companies are using it.
Find out a bit more about Phil here: https://www.cgsinc.com/en/people/phil-friedman

#TJtalks: Noorie Sazen on resilience and TfL
Jon talks to Noorie Sazen from Saffron Interactive about their work on resilience and mental wellbeing with Transport for London. It's a project that started a few yearas back but is more important than ever. Tune in.
Read about some of Noorie's work and writing for Saffron here: https://saffroninteractive.com/author/noorie-sazen/

#TJtalks: Dr. Nerina Ramlakhan on stress, sleep and thriving
Jon talks to sleep and stress expert Dr. Nerina Ramlakhan, about, well, just that. If you're reading this late at night, go to bed would you?
Find out more about Nerina's vital work here: http://www.drnerinamuses.com/

#TJtalks: Joanne Lockwood on supporting trans people in the workplace
Jon talks to Joanne Lockwood, CEO of See Change Happen, a practice providing equality, diversity and inclusion services to businesses.
Find out more about Jo and her work here: https://seechangehappen.co.uk/about-us/

The TJ Podcast: June 2021
Jon and Kate talk new jobs and M&As, and then Jo joins to discuss some of our content from the month: social anxiety, side hustles and bullying are all on the agenda.
Joanna Rawbone of Flourishing introverts is our guest. More about her here: https://www.flourishingintroverts.com/about-me
Content:

#TJtalks: Joanna Rawbone on getting the most from introverts
Jon chats to Jo Rawbone, founder of Flourishing Introverts, about, well, being an introvert, and how talent management and teamwork can get the best out of different personality types.
Find out more about Jo and her work here: https://www.flourishingintroverts.com/

#TJtalks: Chris Hadfield on the film crew model
Jon chats to Chris Hadfield about the idea of the film crew model; taking the principles of a film or TV set and applying them to team dynamics in business. Sound interesting? Have a listen.
More about Chris and his business here: https://www.strevas.com/