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This workshop is part of the Graphics Lab, a project aimed at picture retouching to improve the graphical content of the Wikimedia projects. More information about the lab can be found on its main page and requests pages (Illustrations ; Photographs ; Maps ; Video and Sound). To ask questions or make a suggestions, see the talk page of the graphic lab page.

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Incorrect/missing colors of waterbodies

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Article(s): en:Vironniemi

Request
The map above is just an example; there are probably 100+ of these maps with incorrect/missing waterbody colors on maps of Helsinki. File:Helsinki districts.svg is the base map file and has the correct coloring; please compare it to the image above. Those incorrect maps were made by User:Stadscykel who later fixed some of them (e.g. Special:Diff/43585007, Special:Diff/43585930), but most of those maps still have incorrect/missing colors. Related discussions on fi.wikipedia: link and link, and here on Commons: link. --JAAqqO (talk) 01:06, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If someone ever decides to fix these, here is a list of 130 map files that need fixing:
List
--JAAqqO (talk) 19:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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JAAqqO, please check the sample you highlighted which I have uploaded a new version of. If correct, the good news is that it is easy to recreate each map from the base File:Helsinki districts.svg (of course, the bad news is there are 130). Chipmunkdavis (talk) 02:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Chipmunkdavis, yes, that one looks good now, thank you. --JAAqqO (talk) 04:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One of the discussions you linked mentions the colours are a poor choice for colour-blind users, may be worth considering that too before editing 130 files. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 02:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


A Map for the Ajuran Sultanate

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Ajuran Sultanate: [[]]

Request
(details of your request go here...) --Karamumkaram (talk) 14:04, 7 April 2024 (UTC) The map needs to be based on the one from [[1]][reply]
I've also requested one of the Horn of Africa c. 13th century which might include Ajuran Kowal2701 (talk) 19:35, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Updating EU maps with the UK

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Request
These maps of the European Union (and likely more! this I found in the same category) still have the United Kingdom, despite it having leaving years ago. --Juwan (talk) 17:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion(s)
If there are a lot you could consider creating a category like Category:Maps needing South Sudan political boundaries. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 04:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added the above maps to Category:Maps of the current European Union with the United Kingdom. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 13:50, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Europe FoP map

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Article(s): w:en:Freedom of panorama (to replace Commons-slanted EU-FoP map in the article, which is supposed to be neutral (and not excessively favor Wikimedian perspective) per w:en:WP:NEUTRAL.)

Request
  1. Change the color for both Belarus and Ukraine to yellow from red, as both have non-commercial FoP (yellow is for non-commercial FoP countries).
  2. Change also Sweden to light green as there is indeed FoP only for buildings, but no commercial FoP for monuments and public art.
  3. Add Kosovo, as dark green (yes FoP since October 2023).
  4. Add Andorra, Monaco, San Marino, and the Vatican City - as red.

Regards, --JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 14:59, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s)
@JWilz12345: Can you describe why File:Freedom_of_Panorama_in_Europe.svg cannot be used instead? cmɢʟee ⋅τaʟκ 07:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cmglee (note: the ping didn't work for some reason, but this page is on my watchlist as of now)
It is based on the Commons perspective (in which non-commercial uses are treated as "not OK"). But since that article is in English Wikipedia, it should be neutral and should not favor on Wikimedia side. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 08:02, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JWilz12345: Got it. Did you mean "should not favor on Wikipedia side"? I think we should copy the code from File:Freedom_of_Panorama_in_Europe.svg and modify as needed to maintain consistency. cmɢʟee ⋅τaʟκ 08:33, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cmglee ah yes, though for average readers, they always treat Wikipedia and Wikimedia as a single community. But that is another story.
And yes, it is best to use the same map. I've read somewhere that the former version of File:Freedom_of_Panorama_in_Europe.svg was purportedly hard to edit, and I assume the NC map used the same mapping code. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 09:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

African history map of kingdoms and empires

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  • Map of major African kingdoms and empires throughout history
    Map of major African kingdoms and empires throughout history

Article(s): en:History of Africa, en:List of kingdoms in Africa throughout history

Request
Hi, I was wondering if anyone could put together a map of Africa overlayed with the maximum extent of some major kingdoms and empires. I can provide a list of kingdoms and empires that'll give a fair representation of the continent's history, although many of them might overlap so maybe have the fill transparent? At the moment we use File:African-civilizations-map-pre-colonial.svg which has extraordinary bias towards west and north Africa, and gets some of the territory wrong such as for Aksum and Hausa (which was never a kingdom). The map used would ideally include Arabia, the Levant, and some of Iberia as these were territories which were covered. The style I'm happy to leave to you, although I'd like it to be colourful. --Alexanderkowal (talk) 12:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Zanahary: Alexanderkowal (talk) 12:40, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for making this request! To the graphist: also important to include are Madagascar’s pre-colonial unified kingdoms. Zanahary (talk) 21:09, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When we compile the list you can pick the Malagasy ones, it's just they'll all be overlapping with Imerina Alexanderkowal (talk) 21:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Ability to distinguish "D" (for decriminalized) on US map on cell phones

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Please see: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Maps#Ability to distinguish "D" on map on cell phones. We need some more participants. See map in article (at top right):

--Timeshifter (talk) 11:10, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Map of the Second Polish Republic superimposed on modern borders

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  • Map that could serve as a model as a request
    Map that could serve as a model as a request

Article(s): en:Second Polish Republic, en:Territorial evolution of Poland, etc

Request
Could someone make an svg map of the borders of the Second Polish Republic as of 1929 superimposed on modern European borders? Two versions would be best, one blank and one with locations and names of important cities that either was previously inside Poland (like Lviv and Vilnius) and cities that became a part of Poland after World War II (like Wrocław)? --Colohisto (talk) 05:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Poland 2024 local government authorities

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Article(s): pl:Zarządy województw VII kadencji

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I would like to ask someone to create map for local goverment authorities aftes 2024 local election in Poland, there is example for map https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Władze_na_szczeblu_wojewódzkim_(2018).svg

to do this map i would let the colours to use and abbrevation:

Dolnośląskie KO-TD-BS Kujawsko-Pomorskie KO-TD Lubelskie PiS Lubuskie KO-TD Łódzkie KO-TD-Lewica Małopolskie PiS Mazowieckie KO-TD Opolskie KO-ŚS-TD Podkarpackie PiS Podlaskie KO-TD Pomorskie KO-TD Śląskie KO-TD-Lewica Świętokrzyskie PiS Warmińsko-Mazurskie KO-TD Wielkopolskie KO-TD-Lewica Zachodniopomorskie KO-TD-Lewica

colours: KO E19F39 TD 96D544 BS BS2023 PiS 073A76 Lewica ac145a ŚS 0D2E51

--Aight 2009 (talk) 00:44, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Removal of Eastern European Summer Time in Ukraine

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  • Time zone map of Greater Europe
    Time zone map of Greater Europe

Article(s): en:Summer time in Europe

Request
starting October 27, Ukraine will no longer observe summer time (sources in article above). it means that Ukraine will be coloured yellow instead of ochre. technicalities: Russian-occupied regions follow a different separate time zone (UTC+03:00) all year round (fact-check?). see file page for more information. --Juwan (talk) 14:26, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Si Vonne: Hi, I noticed that you updated Ukraine in the above image. As stated in en:Time in Russia#Russian Federation, all Russian-occupied regions claimed by Ukraine (Crimea, Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia) are on Moscow Time. I think they should be shaded in alternating green and yellow like on this map. What do you think? Qzekrom (talk) 04:54, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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File:UN member states animation.gif

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Article(s): Numerous articles in different languages across Wikipedia.

Request
File:UN member states animation.gif needs to be updated by including South Sudan, which became independent on 9 July 2011 and became a UN member on 14 ‎July 2011, which remains the newest country and UN member today. --Oirattas (talk) 22:58, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Horn of Africa (Ifat and Ethiopia) c. 1300

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Article(s): en:History of Africa, en:Africa

Request
Really just the Ifat Sultanate and Ethiopia is needed, but if you could include Ajuran and Warsangali in the corner that'd be grand. There are images on wikicommons of all of these that can be copied. --Kowal2701 (talk) 19:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Map(s) of proposed LaGuardia Airport subway extensions

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Article(s): en:LaGuardia Airport subway extension

Request
One or two maps showing both proposed extensions of the BMT Astoria Line to LaGuardia Airport, as illustrated on pages 17 and 18 of this 2022 PDF from the Port Authority. This can be one image showing both alignments or separate images for each. The current Astoria Line should be in this yellow (#fccc0a, PMS 116) while the proposed alignments can be a lighter shade of yellow. --Qzekrom (talk) 01:01, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Map of the Battle of Peregonovka

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Article(s): Battle of Peregonovka

Request
Hi everyone. The article about the battle of Peregonovka needs a map depicting the battle. In Colin Darch's 2020 book Nestor Makhno and Rural Anarchism in Ukraine, 1917-1921, he includes a map by cartographer Jenny Sandler depicting the overall battle (Map 5.1 The Engagement at Peregonovka, September 1919), based on the White movement's own maps published in the 1960s. If someone here would be able to draw up a similar map, based on Sandler's work, that would be very much appreciated. Something similar to the Waterloo campaign or Battle of Stalingrad maps would be ideal. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:09, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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British Leeward Islands

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  • Lesser Antilles location map
    Lesser Antilles location map

Article(s): en:British Leeward Islands

Request
Please create maps of the British Leeward Islands, just mark, preferably in red, the following islands:
1833-1871 and 1940-1958 - Antigua, Barbuda, Montserrat, Redonda, Saint Christopher, Nevis, Anguilla and British Virgin Islands
1871-1940 - Same islands as above plus Dominica
If possible, I would prefer not to mark any boundaries other than those of the BLI colony. Swiãtopôłk (talk) 16:04, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Projection for California

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  • Base map
    Base map
  • Projection for California
    Projection for California

Article(s): en:1970 California gubernatorial election

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I have extracted only the California portion of the 1968 U.S. presidential election's congressional district map to create a congressional district map for the 1970 California gubernatorial election, but I cannot match the projections.　--Dmsu (talk) 07:15, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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MIR payment system map

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  • MIR payment system map
    MIR payment system map

Article(s): Mir (payment system)

Request
I am short on time right now, but the map needs to be edited to mark the Russian occupied territories of Ukraine as disputed, perhaps with a grey/green stripe pattern. The grey colour may also need to be lightened to #C0C0C0. --Minoa (talk) 13:16, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Russia Map Border

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Moved from Commons:Graphic Lab/Illustration workshop: 痛Designism (talk) 01:35, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Moscow boundaries need to be updated, they are outdated.
    Moscow boundaries need to be updated, they are outdated.

Article(s): Jewish Autonomous Oblast

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Moscow's boundaries need to be updated, they are outdated. --– Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 21:37, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion(s)
Given this is likely an issue across all theoretically current Russian administrative border maps, it might be best to create a category to put maps needing an update in. CMD (talk) 13:59, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Fehmarnbelt

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Article(s): de:Fehmarnbelttunnel

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Can we please convert this into a free license? Thanks --Bigbossfarin (talk) 06:13, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This may be possible by modifying File:Fehmarnbeltbrücke.svg. CMD (talk) 16:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Map for Passante ferroviario di Napoli

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Request: It would be great if someone could create a map for this railway, similar to this one:

  • Passante ferroviario di Milano
    Passante ferroviario di Milano

You can find the route here starting from Villa Literno station to Gianturco Station. Chronologically the stations are:

The following map could help, but it does not include the stations beyond Pozzuoli Solfatara and includes the station Napoli San Giovanni Barra, which is not part of the "Passante ferrovario di Napoli." –Yeagvr (talk) 19:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Map of Naples Line 2 which runs on a part of the Passante.
    Map of Naples Line 2 which runs on a part of the Passante.

Article(s): it:Passante ferroviario di Napoli

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EU trading partners map

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Moved from Commons:Graphic Lab/Illustration workshop: 痛Designism (talk) 19:56, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • EU trading partners map
    EU trading partners map

Article(s): en:List of the largest trading partners of the European Union

Request
Can the map be edited to change the colour of the UK to the same as the USA as the UK is no longer a part of the EU please? --The C of E (talk) 17:47, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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@The C of E: This map reflects data at 2015 when the United Kingdom was then a part of the European Union. J. Dann (talk) 13:22, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Vectorize raster map file

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  • Raster logo file
    Raster logo file

Article(s): Heartland Flyer

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Hi! Please vectorize this raster map file. Thank you! --OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 09:02, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Rio de Janeiro public transport map

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  • Public transport map of Rio de Janeiro
    Public transport map of Rio de Janeiro

Article(s): over a hundred pages as can be seen on the picture page, for instance pt:TransBrasil

Request
There are several inconsistencies on this map, since the last update is from 2018. I will list them below:
Extended content
  • VLT Carioca:
    • line 1 has been expanded to the west, with a new station called "Terminal Intermodal Gentileza";
    • the branch between Praia Formosa and São Diogo has been cancelled and should be removed;
    • line 3 entered operation, I'll detail the new stations down below;
  • BRT Transbrasil: has started operation, going all the way until Terminal Intermodal Gentileza. Please double check stations names as well as the path (the expansion towards downtown has been discarded);
  • Other than that they've changed their logo, it'd be nice to update on the legend, check their website
  • BRT Transoceânica: is currently in operation. Should be renamed to "BHLS Transoceânico" and has three different lines, that enter bus corridor between Charitas and their destination, and go towards Niterói downtown;
  • Bonde de Santa Teresa: has been expanded, southwest until Dois Irmãos, a branch towards Monte Alegre and a small branch towards Muratori, are all operating;
  • Ônibus expresso: all of them don't exist anymore and should be removed;
  • Conexão BRT: BRT operator created three regular bus lines similar to previous Ônibus Expresso which could be interesting to show on the map. You can check their details on their website: https://mobi-rio.rio.br/
  • MetrôRio: the two circles in Estácio station should be a single circle as it is a single station with integration between two lines.
  • Teleféricos (cable cars): Alemão exists but is still suspended; Providência resumed operating; Rocinha never had a proper project (just politician intention) and therefore should be removed;
  • Planos inclinados (funiculars): title is missing an "s"; P.I. do Condomínio Equitativa, P.I. Regina Coeli, P.I. do Cemitério São João Batista, Funicular Rio Arte and Monotrilho de Vila Santa Cecília are private and should be removed. All other are currently in operation.
  • Double check all station names. I will do this homework and edit my comment.
    • MetrôRio (subway) - they have added suffixes to stations located on neighborhoods with more than one station, indicating the neighborhood, as can be seen on their website. Therefore these stations should be renamed:
      • Lines 1 / 4, from north to south:
        • Uruguai should be "Uruguai / Tijuca"
        • Saens Peña should be "Saens Peña / Tijuca"
        • São Francisco Xavier should be "São Francisco Xavier / Tijuca"
        • Afonso Pena should be "Afonso Pena / Tijuca"
        • Central should be "Central do Brasil / Centro"
        • Presidente Vargas should be "Saara / Presidente Vargas" (yes, this is an exception to the rule)
        • Uruguaiana should be "Uruguaiana / Centro"
        • Carioca should be "Carioca / Centro"
        • Cinelândia should be "Cinelândia / Centro"
        • Cardeal Arcoverde should be "Cardeal Arcoverde / Copacabana"
        • Siqueira Campos should be "Siqueira Campos / Copacabana"
        • Cantagalo should be "Cantagalo / Copacabana"
        • General Osório should be "General Osório / Ipanema"
        • Nossa Senhora da Paz should be "Nossa Senhora da Paz / Ipanema"
        • Jardim de Alah should be "Jardim de Alah / Leblon"
        • Jardim Oceânico should be "Jardim Oceânico / Barra da Tijuca"
      • Line 2, from downtown towards northwest:
        • Nova América / Del Castilho should be "Del Castilho"
        • On Pavuna, only the subway station is called "Pavuna"; the SuperVia one is "Pavuna / São João de Meriti"
    • SuperVia, corrections on the lines, starting from downtown towards the suburbs, on counterclockwise fashion (for more information, check OSM or their website:
      • Linha Deodoro / Santa Cruz:
        • Mangueira should be "Mangueira / Jamelão"
        • Silva Freire is only serviced on Linha Japeri, maybe we could duplicate the line between Deodoro and Central do Brasil to indicate that?
        • Terminal Deodoro should be "Deodoro"
        • Regarding "São José de Magalhães Bastos", only the BRT station has that name, the train station name is "Magalhães Bastos"
        • Mocidade de Padre Miguel should be "Mocidade / Padre Miguel"
        • Santissimo should be "Santíssimo" (note the "í")
        • Benjamin do Monte should be "Benjamim do Monte" (note the "m")
      • Serviço Circular Honório - Deodoro has been deactivated and should be removed from the map
      • Linha Japeri:
        • Riardo de Albuquerque should be "Ricardo de Albuquerque"
      • Linha Belford Roxo:
        • Cavalcante should be "Cavalcanti"
        • Pavuna should be "Pavuna / São João de Meriti"
      • Linha Saracuruna:
        • Bonsucesso TIM should be "Bonsucesso"
        • Saracuna should be "Saracuruna"
      • Linha Vila Inhomirim:
        • (all correct)
      • Linha Guapimirim:
        • missing stop "Santa Dalila" between Parque Estrela and Suruí
        • missing stop "Santa Guilhermina" between Suruí and Iriri
        • Parada Capim should be "Jardim Guapimirim"
    • VLT Carioca
      • As mentioned above, there is a new branch from Rodoviária to the west, with a new final stop called "Terminal Intermodal Gentileza"
      • The branch from Praia Formosa to São Diogo has been cancelled and should be removed.
      • For more details, check OSM as well as their website.
      • Stop names corrections, on clockwise fashion:
        • Line 1
          • José Bonifácio stop was never constructed and should be removed
          • Cidade do Samba should be "Cidade do Samba Tia Ciata"
          • Parada dos Navios should be "Parada dos Navios Valongo"
          • Antônio Carlos should be "Antônio Carlos MAM"
        • Line 2
          • Praça XV should be relocated closer to the water, next to the ferry station
          • Rio Branco should be "Colombo"
          • Praça Tiradentes should be "Tiradentes"
          • Itamaraty has been moved to a different position, southwest of the letter "I" on the map (check OSM for proper position); it's name is "Cristiano Ottoni Pequena África"
          • Central do Brasil should be "Central" (only for VLT / tramway);
        • Line 3 has started operation, names corrections:
          • Santa Rita should be "Santa Rita Pretos Novos"
          • Camerino should be "Camerino Rosas Negras"
          • Itamaraty has been replaced, as mentioned above.
    • BRT, always from south to north, from east to west (their website for more information):
      • Transoeste
        • Cittá América should be "Bosque de Marapendi"
        • Porto dos Cabritos should be "Paulo Malta Rezende"
        • Freeway should be "Afrânio Costa"
        • Riveira should be "Riviera"
        • Pontões/BarraSul should be "Pontões/Barra Sul"
        • Recreio/Salvador Allende should be separated. The station along the Transoeste line (on the east-west axis) is "Salvador Allende"
        • Glaucio Gil should be "Gláucio Gil"
        • Benvindo Novaes should be "Benvindo de Novaes"
        • Gramado (close to Campo Grande) has been removed.
      • Transcarioca
        • Rio II should be "Rio 2"
        • Pedro Correia should be "Pedro Corrêa"
        • Fundão should be removed, it is duplicated with "Terminal Fundão / Aroldo Melodia" (the latter is in correct position)
      • Transolímpica
        • As mentioned above, "Recreio / Salvador Allende" should be separated; the circle below is "Terminal Recreio"
        • Catedral de Recreio should be "Catedral do Recreio"
        • Padre João Chribbin should be "Padre João Cribbin (Marechal Mallet)"
      • Transbrasil
        • To start with, the line starts in "Terminal Intermodal Gentileza" so stations Candelária, Presidente Vargas, Sambódromo, Cidade Nova, Leopoldina and Gasômetro should be removed. Other than that, most stations have different names:
        • Cajú / São Francisco should be "Vasco da Gama"
        • Parque Vitória should be "Benfica"
        • Joana Nascimento should be "Hospital de Bonsucesso / CPOR"
        • Nova Holanda should be "Baixa do Sapateiro"
        • Darci Vargas should be "Rubens Vaz"
        • Ramos should be "Piscinão de Ramos"
        • Escola da Marinha Mercante should be "Marinha Mercante"
        • Escola da Marinha do Brasil should be "Lobo Júnior"
        • Brás de Pina should be "Mercado São Sebastião"
        • the point with no name before Ponto Chique needs to be removed
        • Ponto Chique should be "Cidade Alta"
        • the BRT point next to train station Parada de Lucas needs to be removed
        • Isidro Rocha / Correia Andrade should be "Vigário Geral / Praça Dois"
        • Manguinhos should be removed
        • Irajá / Ceasa should be "Irajá"
        • Coelho Neto should be "Fazenda Botafogo"
        • Barros Filho should be removed
        • Carrefour / Guadalupe should be "Jardim Guadalupe"
        • missing one more stop, "Guadalupe" before Terminal Deodoro
      • Other than that, next to Transbrasil, there are two bus terminals under construction that you might want to include: "Terminal Missões" (next to Cidade Alta station) and "Terminal Margaridas" (between Vigário Geral / Praça Dois and Irajá).
      • And the Conexão BRT bus lines, the stops have names and it would be very nice to include them as well. However they were not included on OSM yet and therefore for a non-local would be hard to get stop positions; this could be added on a second moment.
    • BHLS Transoceânico
      • There are three lines, all of them start on downtown on "Terminal Rodoviário João Goulart", go on regular bus stops and enter the BHLS corridor that currently exists. I think it'd be good to include the path towards downtown, as well as the path to the neighborhoods outside of the bus corridor, but without including the regular bus stops, only the BHLS corridor stops. You can check routes on OSM:
      • Monsenhor Jacarandá should be "Cafubá"
      • (current) Cafubá should be "Lagoa de Piratininga"
      • Roma should be "Piratininga"
      • Cornelio de Mello Jr should be "Maralegre"
      • Multicenter has been dropped and should be removed
      • Madri should be "Santo Antônio"
      • Juriti should be "Vila São Pedro"
      • São Fabio should be "Morro da Peça"
      • Sibipurunas should be removed
      • Avenida Central should be "Praça Central"
      • Celso Peçanha should be "Boa Vista"

You can check current data on OpenStreetMap, as I (among other mappers) have it up-to-date there.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 08:35, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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ArlindoPereira

I can do this but I will create a new map as a svg file, it will be so much easier to update in the future. I also will need your assistance/knowledge in the process of creating it.
 Request taken by --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ArlindoPereira So I do need your assistance now;
1. Shall we do both a Portuguese and an English version?
2. I have to understand all the different types of transportation there is on this map, the current png version.
There are several different types of buses, trains etc. It's really confusing as I have zero knowledge right now.
The following five types I understand.
  • Supervia, Train
  • Metrô, Metro
  • Tram/VLT (Light Rail Transit)
  • BRT (Bus Rapid Transport)
  • Barcas, Ferry
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Then we have the following four, should they also be on the new map?
  • Linhas de Ônibus Expresso, Express Rio de Janeiro
  • Bonde de Santa Teresa, Santa Teresa Tram
  • Trem do Corcovado, Corcovado Train
  • Teleféricos, Cable cars
Then you also have BHLS Transoceânico in your request, what is that, yet another bus system? --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 16:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot for picking it up Goran tek-en.
1. Yes, that'd be great if possible. I can help translating it to pt-br of course.
2. Yes, those are the five main categories. Your five initial points are correct and are the most important. "Linhas de Ônibus Expresso, Express Rio de Janeiro" are gone, you can remove those altogether. We now have a couple of "Conexão BRT" "BRT connection" lines, but it might be a bit hard to find information about those. I will try to get it with the agency and map it on OpenStreetMap. The other three have a bit of more touristic purpose but are public transport nevertheless. And yes, "BHLS Transoceânico" is a bus corridor on the city of Niterói, which is on the east of Rio de Janeiro metropolitan area, which corresponds to the right part of the map (right side of the bay). It is a bus corridor in part of it's way, with stops that resemble BRT / LRT stops (bigger structure, exclusive right of way) while in other areas it is just a regular bus line (stopping on regular stops / mixed in general transit).--ArlindoPereira (talk) 09:21, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ArlindoPereira Thanks, I'm right now working on creating the base map so it will be a while before I start with the different lines. Very happy you will be available to support me. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 14:38, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Goran tek-en Awesome, ready to jump in when you need me. Feel free to take any questions, or help finding routes you can't find on OSM. --ArlindoPereira (talk) 14:57, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just got the routes for the "Conexão BRT / BRT Connection" buses, I am currently mapping them on OSM.
--ArlindoPereira (talk) 09:27, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ArlindoPereira Great --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 11:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ArlindoPereira
1 Do you know how to search for ea Metro line 1 in OSM so I get the stretching with stations?
I have found a coarse way but it would be great if I could all the different types of lines in an exact way.
2 Here I have a part of M line 1. Do you know of any way to download just that stretch, I'm trying to convert the xml you can download to svg but so far I haven't succeeded. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 15:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ArlindoPereira
I actually also would need all the stations names as I'm not familiar with all the diacritical symbols, please group them as you have above.
Sorry about the work load for you but it's very difficult when you don't know the language, thanks. I can probably get the names from OSM. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:34, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have just remembered of "Mapa Metropolitano de Transportes", it was a map made from previous state administration that had all transports. It has been unfortunately dropped by current administration, so it is outdated (do not show new BRT Transbrasil and LRV Line 4) but should give a general idea of the network. There is a copy of it in https://www.tremdedados.com.br/mapa-rio-metropolitano-de-transportes/
  • An interesting detail of it is that it shows differently free transfers and paid transfers. That is because of our stupid company based fares, you cannot switch from one company to another (say from MetrôRio/subway to SuperVia/trains) without paying a new fare. So it shows as white the transfers that are free (between different lines of same operator) and as black transfers that are paid (between different lines of different operators). I understand that this add a new layer of complexity but it might be interesting to show on the map if you manage to include (but I wouldn't say it would be strictly needed).
Extended content
Sure @Goran tek-en, I will list the OSM relations for all systems and lines:
(I'll save this comment for now and edit with other lines)--ArlindoPereira (talk) 10:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Continuing @Goran tek-en
@ArlindoPereira This is a really complicated request/map so we just has to take it step by step or I will be lost forever.
  • I really like the way you provide me with information, it’s great, thanks.
  • For this map, It has structured info but the map scale/projection is strange and I can’t make it work with our OSM map but there is good info.
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Those drafts are PNG versions of the original SVG file I'm working in and will upload to commons.
Those drafts are shown for proofreading only.
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The base map we can change, this is a part that shows the Metro lines as I have understood it. This is the style I intend to use so see what you think. Please be straight and open with your feedback, thanks.
The only thing I/we can control regarding viewing is that the map works in 100%. So if you need to download it to be sure you view it in 100%, do so but be sure to delete it afterward. Those drafts are copyrighted to me up to the point I upload it to commons --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 19:06, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Goran tek-en, it is looking great so far! Loved the companies logos together with the line numbers, it looks very much like an "official" map, by that I mean it has very good quality. Understood your point regarding the copyright of non-final version.
Regarding the other map, yes it is not to the scale, looks more like an schematic / line diagram that somewhat adapts to the geography (up to a certain point) than an "actual" map without many distortions.
I just reminded of yet another map / diagram reference you could use to have a general idea of the rail transports in the city: Urban Rail maps: Rio de Janeiro, a large version with full SuperVia coverage and zoomed in downtown. Of course this map is also very schematic (as all curves are 45 degrees) but one thing I find interesting on it is that it highlights tunnel sections with some parenthesis.
Most likely the downtown area would need to be covered with a square to zoom in at some empty point of the map, like they do, in order to keep the geographic scale of the outer edges but also show downtown in detail.
A couple of things I would change, if possible:
  • Noticed that "Nossa Senhora da Paz" (on line 4) station name is incorrect, but it was also incorrect on OSM, it should be "Nossa Senhora da Paz / Ipanema". I have just fixed the OSM.
  • If possible, make the line colors more similar to those used by the transport companies. That means green for Line 2 and yellow for Line 4. They use respectively #b6d52a and #ffc500, but of course you can tweak it to be brighter or darker as needed for a good contrast.
    • I understand that it would be potentially a challenge once you introduce other networks, because for instance SuperVia (train operator) uses green for Ramal Santa Cruz and MOBI-Rio (BRT operator) uses green for Transolímpica. So you might need to tweak the colors a bit for it to have enough contrast to be able to tell the difference. In that sense, I like that Mapa Rio Metropolitano approach for the colors, you might want to pick their hex values because they seem to put some thought into that (I happen to know the original author, that used to work within the previous state administration). To make it easier, I will copy the hex values they've used (of course you are not required to use the exact colors, but still, might be helpful)
  • Those stations that have dash on their names, there need to be a space before and after, so foo / bar instead of foo/bar
  • The forest geometry might get too noisy once all lines are in, consider making it's geometry simpler. Also the white bits inside of it - are those rock exposed parts, without trees? They might look like snow.
  • On the base map, there is a bit of road missing on downtown, there should be a tunnel on that road right of Carioca / Centro until the road north of Saara / Presidente Vargas stations. It looks a bit weird without it.
Thanks again! :)--ArlindoPereira (talk) 09:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lines colors in hex:
(colors marked with an asterisk are from lines created after Mapa Rio Metropolitano was published, therefore I picked the color used by their operators; might need some tweak) @Goran tek-en
  • Subway / MetrôRio
    • Line 1: #f05122
    • Line 2: #007d3f
    • Line 4: #f8be14
  • Trains / SuperVia
    • Deodoro Line: #b81e23
    • Santa Cruz Line: #5ba545
    • Japeri Line: #009fdb
    • Belford Roxo Line: #55277b
    • Saracuruna Line: #d88227
    • Paracambi Line: #a4bfe4
    • Vila Inhomirim Line: #c3b12f
    • Guapimirim Line: #f8cf0b
  • LRV / VLT Carioca
    • Line 1: #0059aa
    • Line 2: #4cb748
    • Line 3: #fdcf04
    • Line 4*: #ff7104
  • BRT / MOBI-Rio
    • TransOeste corridor: #008fcf
    • TransCarioca corridor: #f37420
    • TransOlímpica corridor: #02b25b
    • TransBrasil corridor*: #ed3237
    • Conexão BRT lines*: #fbab18
ArlindoPereira (talk) 09:46, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ArlindoPereira Quick reply, I always try to use colors so the maps will work as well as possible for people with color deficiency.
I hope we don't have to do an inset for the downtown area but we will see. Agree on the other parts of map editing, also here we have a Map-template that we try to stick to so most of the created maps here have a deegre of similarity, but it's not a must and I will change now and along the line of work. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 17:24, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ArlindoPereira Why do you give me two OSM links for each line, aren't they just reversed... --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see the stations are moving a bit, some at least but our map is not that detailed that it matters. --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:18, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Goran tek-en Yeah, sending both routes just for completeness sake. Indeed for subway, train and BRT it does not matter (other than double checking that indeed both routes are parallel), but it matters for LRV as some sections of their routes are unidirectional.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 09:05, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ArlindoPereira
  • On the pdf Mapa Rio there are some more stations than on OSM but I follow OSM.
  • Is Del Castilho the same for M2 and Belford Roxo, in some maps they have different names, connected…
  • Is Pavuna / São João de Meriti Belford Roxo and Pavuna M2 the same station, connected a bit a part on the map…
  • Draft transportation-2.
--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:59, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Goran tek-en it looks nice. I'll double check everything.
  • It might be that the relations have missing stations. I'll double check all of them to be sure.
  • Regarding Pavuna, the two stations are separated but there should be an integration connection between them. But the one from Line 2 subway is called "Pavuna" and the one on Belford Roxo train line is "Pavuna / São João de Meriti". This is the route between them, there is a footbridge between the two stations.
  • For Del Castilho, the stations are really separate, one needs to exit, go to the street and walk approximately a block between the two stations. They're not connected like Pavuna, São Cristóvão or Maracanã stations. See OSM route.
  • Spotted a couple of typos:
    • SuperVia Deodoro (red) line, from downtown towards suburbs (i.e. from east to west):
      • After Sampaio should be "Engenho Novo"
      • After Cascadura should be "Madureira"
      • After Oswaldo Cruz should be "Prefeito Bento Ribeiro"
    • SuperVia Santa Cruz (green) line:
      • Santissimo should be "Santíssimo" (diacritic on first i)
      • Missing station Campo Grande between Augusto Vasconcelos and Benjamim do Monte (OSM relation was wrong, just fixed it)
      • Benjamin do Monte should be "Benjamim do Monte" (sorry this one was also wrong on OSM, just fixed it)
      • Inhoaiba should be "Inhoaíba" (diacritic)
      • Missing station Paciência between Cosmos and Tancredo Neves (OSM relation was wrong, just fixed it, sorry again)
    • SuperVia Japeri (blue) and Paracambi (light blue) lines: all correct
    • SuperVia Belford Roxo line:
      • (Del Castilho as mentioned above)
      • Thomás Coelho should be "Tomás Coelho"
        • just on curiosity, this is another example of two stations with similar names - Tomás Coelho on SuperVia, Thomaz Coelho on MetrôRio - that are not connected. In this case they really are very separate, just happen to be on the same neighborhood but over 1km away from each other, and also spelled differently (no idea why).
      • Missing station Coelho da Rocha between Agostinho Porto and Belford Roxo
    • SuperVia Saracuruna line:
      • After Olaria should be "Penha"
    • SuperVia Vila Inhomirim line: all correct
    • SuperVia Guapimirim line:
      • Missing Santa Guilhermina between Suruí and Iriri
      • After Parada Modelo should be "Parada Bananal"
      • After Parada Bananal should be "Guapimirim"
One final detail that might be tricky to make it fit: only the subway station is called "Central do Brasil / Centro"; the train station is just "Central do Brasil", without the suffix.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 15:26, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ArlindoPereira
Draft transport-3, I have removed most in the background so it will be more easy for you to check the texts. If you need a draft with all in just let me know.
  • I would like to understand the real purpose and expectations of this map. How much do you want to be fitted, into what degree of details, because it’s impossible to get everything in and so it will still be eligible. Is it to just show an overview or more detailed. Because so far I haven’t found any map with all the different means of transportation in one map and that is probably that it would get too hard to understand, so please try to explain to me, thanks.

  • For every thing we add I have to change other stuff to make it work so you will have to check everything for every draft, I do understand that will mean more work for you but this is the reality. I also haven’t made the final fixes with all the texts as I have to change all the time, will do that when everything is set.
  • Just info: Santa Guilhermina, it’s not on the link to OSM and not on the source png but I found it.
  • For BRT I have two lines TransBrasil and TransConexao, but I can’t find any stops or names for them. The maps I find have too low resolution.
  • If Boiúna is supposed to be spelled like this you could edit OSM.
  • Same with RioCentro
  • Should Parque Olímpico be on TransOlimpica?
  • I have added T to the stations I found to be Terminals, should we make a special icon for them?
  • For T Alvorada - Arquiteto Jaime Lerner, T Alvorada we have two different names.
--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 19:37, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Goran tek-en Thanks again for updating. I will do a full double check on all lines. But first answering your questions:
  • As mentioned on my initial message, the idea is to update File:Public_transport_map_of_Rio_de_Janeiro.png, which is used in hundreds of pages, in multiple languages as a general map of Rio transport. Yes, it is quite of a challenge (thanks again for picking it up!)
  • Yes I can check always, I mean that's the least I can do. I am looking forward to it.
  • Sorry about Santa Guilhermina, I will double check OSM relations.
  • For BRT lines, I will write down the stop names, and also double check them on OSM. There are 4 BRT lines, in the order they were built (I also suggest you use this order on map legend): TransOeste (blue, from south to northwest), TransCarioca (orange, from south to northeast), TransOlímpica (green, from southwest to north) and TransBrasil (red, from west to downtown/east (our downtown is on the center of metropolitan area, by the bay)).
  • Yes Boiúna has a diacritic. I will double check all stations and update their names, please check the list down below.
  • I like the idea of depicting terminals as "T (station name)" but I'd add a dot for the abbreviation, thus making "T. (station name)".
But first my observations about draft #3:
  • BRT logo is outdated. The BRT lines were operated by a private company called "BRT Rio" until 2021, now they're operated by a public operator called "MOBI-Rio". This is their website: https://mobi-rio.rio.br/. I will ask them for a logo for each line and will share with you asap.
  • MOBI-Rio website has all details, but some stations have wrong names on their website. I will also double check the spelling on Street View imagery to make sure that the list below is correct (and also make sure that OSM is correct). I will mark on the list below in italic when the spelling in reality differs from MOBI-Rio website.
  • Some BRT stations have "suffixes" written in small print in station names (example), with the name of a closest POI. I think adding them is not needed.
  • Some BRT stations are Terminals, I'll mark them in bold. They're terminals either because they connect to other modals, to other BRT lines or to an adjacent (regular) bus terminal. In some cases (for instance Salvador Allende) the station itself is not a terminal, but it is adjacent to a terminal. In this case mark the two stations separately with a connection between them.
  • You added one Conexão BRT line, looks nice to be able to see that connection on the map, but I think that maybe it could be on a thinner line.
BRT stations names:
  • TransOeste (blue), from east to northwest:
    • Terminal Jardim Oceânico (connection with subway); Bosque Marapendi; Paulo Malta Rezende; Afrânio Costa; Riviera; Ricardo Marinho; Parque das Rosas; Barra Shopping; Terminal Alvorada (connection with TransCarioca); Bosque da Barra; Novo Leblon; Américas Park; Santa Mônica Jardins; Riomar; Golfe Olímpico; Interlagos; Pedra de Itaúna; Pontões/Barra Sul; Salvador Allende (connection with TransOlímpica); Gelson Fonseca; Guignard; Gláucio Gil; Benvindo de Novaes; Nova Barra; Gilka Machado; Guiomar Novaes; Recreio Shopping; Recanto das Garças; Notre Dame; Dom Bosco; Pontal; (tunnel); Ilha de Guaratiba; CTEx; Embrapa; Terminal Mato Alto; Terminal Magarça; Terminal Pingo d'Água; Vendas de Varanda; Santa Veridiana; Terminal Curral Falso; (from here begins the branch towards Campo Grande, stations on the next bullet point); Cajueiros; Gastão Rangel; General Olímpio; Terminal Santa Cruz
    • Branch towards Campo Grande, from the branch towards Campo Grande: Cesarão I; Cesarão II; Cesarão III; Vila Paciência; Três Pontes; Cesarinho; 31 de Outubro; Santa Eugênia (connection with SuperVia); Júlia Miguel; Parque de São Paulo; Cosmos; Icurana; Vilar Carioca; Inhoaíba; Ana Gonzaga; São Jorge; Pina Rangel; (from here, it starts to be one-way loop) Parque Esperança; Cândido Magalhães; Terminal Campo Grande; (and returning from it) Prefeito Alim Pedro.
  • TransCarioca (orange), from south to northeast:
    • Terminal Alvorada; Lourenço Jorge; Aeroporto Jacarepaguá; Via Parque; Centro Metropolitano; Rede Sarah; Rio 2; (after Rio 2 it branches northwest to continue main path, and also continues forward west) Pedro Corrêa; Curicica; Praça do Bandolim; Arroio Pavuna; Vila Sapê; Recanto das Palmeiras; Divina Providência; Santa Efigênia; Merck; André Rocha; Terminal Taquara; Aracy Cabral; Terminal Tanque (no need to the full name IMO); (checked names until this point) Ipase; Praça Seca; Capitão Menezes; Pinto Teles; Campinho; Terminal Paulo da Portela; Madureira; Mercadão; Otaviano; Vila Queiroz; Vaz Lobo; Marambaia; Vicente de Carvalho; Vila Kosmos; Pedro Taques; Praça do Carmo; Guaporé; Pastor José Santos; (here a small oneway segment, going northeast is Penha 2, going southwest is Penha 1); Ibiapina; Olaria; Cardoso de Moraes; Santa Luzia; Maré; Terminal Fundão; Galeão Tom Jobim.
      • (continuing the branch after Rio 2 going west); Parque Olímpico; Terminal Centro Olímpico.

--ArlindoPereira (talk) 14:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ArlindoPereira
You really don’t have to thank me all the time, we are doing this together.
  • So Conexão is a separate line, not BRT. Why should it be thinner, is it not also a means of transport?
  • Like this Pontões/Barra Sul or Pontões / Barra Sul?
  • Parque esperança or Parque Esperança?
  • Could you also ask for the VLT logo in svg, we don’t have it at commons.
  • Brasil line, there is a lot of stops I can’t find on OSM.
  • I have found this page which seems to have a pretty updated map and info. Sadly it’s not a map with the actual lines but still.
  • I know downtown is messy but I want to see if we can do without an inset, it gives a better overview.
  • Draft transport-4.
--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Goran tek-en
  • Yes it is a mean of transport, it's just that in my mind it feels a bit weird that they have so much prominence, but that might be just premature optimization.
  • Good catch, "Pontões / Barra Sul".
  • Parque Esperança. In general, all words in station names should be with the first letter capitalized, except when it's an article or connecting word such as "Bosque da Barra" (literally "Barra's Forest" - the word "da" is like the "'s" in English). Sometimes the article is merged to the word, such as "Pingo d'Água" (and not "Pingo D'água").
  • It might be in the wrong category, but VLT logo is in svg: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vlt_carioca_logo.svg
  • I need to finish the BRT station name cleaning, I was editing on OSM but that is taking too long and I don't want to keep you waiting, so I will finish the list above asap (and only fix on OSM later).
  • Amazing page! Seems to be a good reference. It's similar to that Urban Railways website, but without restricting itself to railways only.
  • Nice. Would probably be an interesting challenge, in terms of design.
  • Considerations about Draft 4:
    • Looking very nice! The final result is going to be absolutely wonderful :)))
    • Loved the "ribbon" solution for the SuperVia parallel lines, and specially the attention of leaving a small gap between that ribbon and the MetrôRio line.
    • Also liked very much the indication in black for paid transfers, vs. white for free transfers.
    • I know it'd be very challenging to name the VLT Carioca stations downtown, but I wouldn't put their names to the bottom. It might be messier, but might be better to put their names only to the top; eventually those legend "balloons" could have the same spacing as their lines below have.
    • Maybe it'd be better to drop the suffixes for the stations next to each other and have that information as an asterisk on their names? So having the same "cluster" be called "Central do Brasil*", or "Carioca*", or "Cinelândia*" and explain with a small print on the legend that the subway stations have the suffixes.
    • For corrections, with the exception of stations names typos (I'll ignore those for now as I still need to give you a full list of station names for BRT):
      • VLT is missing the branch between Rodoviária and Terminal Intermodal Gentileza. Nowadays only Line 2 (green) go to Praia Formosa; Lines 1 (blue) and 4 (orange) go to Gentileza. See https://www.vltrio.com.br/#/mapa-turistico
      • Missing connection indications:
        • Triagem (paid between MetrôRio and SuperVia)
        • Pavuna (paid between MetrôRio and SuperVia)
        • Vicente de Carvalho (paid between MetrôRio and BRT)
        • Deodoro (free between SuperVia lines; free between BRT lines, including Conexão; paid between those two clusters)
        • Magalhães Bastos (paid between SuperVia and BRT)
        • Vila Militar (paid between SuperVia and BRT)
        • Madureira (paid between SuperVia and BRT)
      • Missing two Conexão BRT lines (only one has been included so far)
        • For these Conexão BRT lines, probably might be an overkill to include intermediate stops as those are simple bus stops, often without any infrastructure other than a simple post with a sign. That's why I also think it might be better to list it as a thinner line, otherwise it looks like a train line or something of more importance.
      • On BRT TransOlímpica, T. Sulacap should be on that small semi-circular branch instead of on the main track.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 17:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Got the BRT operator MOBI-Rio logo: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Logo_MOBI-Rio.svg @Goran tek-en --ArlindoPereira (talk) 18:14, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ArlindoPereira
I'm impressed by your knowledge regarding this subject, do you work with it?
  • I have found that logo but thought it was an old one, is this not the current one?, anyway I added the one at commons.
  • I have kept the suffixes so far and tried to make it cleaner, if it doesn’t work we can do the suffixes if we need to.
  • Conexão BRT lines, I can’t find the other two, could you provide me with links on OSM or other maps.
  • Draft Transport-5.
--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 11:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Goran tek-en Not really other than a few gigs, I'm just a public transport enthusiast. I like hanging around communities such as SkyScraperCity and local ones. Most of my Wikipedia edits in portuguese are related to PT :)
Corredor Metropolitano Alameda São Boaventura is a bus corridor in Niterói, right side of the map. Several bus lines run on it, on regular streets, and in this specific street they have a dedicated bus corridor. It is similar to BHLS Transoceânico. Stops are called "XXX A" and "XXX B", being A the bus stop towards east and B the stop towards west. On the map you can have both stops simply as "XXX", with the coordinate as the mean as the two stops. Map: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-22.88118/-43.09091
Stops names: Nossa Senhora das Mercês; João Brasil; Bairro Chic; Horto; Riodades; Getulinho. @Goran tek-en ArlindoPereira (talk) 14:52, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ArlindoPereira
  • Right now I’m happy with it if you are, this is a general overlook, does it need more details?
  • I think I found Corredor Metropolitano Alameda São Boaventura, is there a logo and any specific color?
  • I just added one stop for any XA XB, do you want two for each?
  • Any logo for BHLS TransOceânica?
  • Draft transport-6
--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Goran tek-en
  • Yeah I think it is pretty good. Though as some areas are empty, I think an inset for downtown could be useful, as it can be a bit hard to read, and some smaller modals still need to be added, such as the gondola between Central and Gamboa.
  • No logo. Also no specific color AFAIK, I guess you could pick blue as that's what they use in the signs: Street View, or just any other color that would make it easier to be differentiated on the legend.
  • Yes, one stop for any XA XB, named X.
  • No logo unfortunately. For specific color, I guess it would make sense either orange (as used on the stops "ribbons") or light green / lime (the vehicles colors). Here you can see some pictures: Niterói city website
  • Regarding the draft
    • Oooh it is looking so nice :))))
      • Loved how you shrinked the SuperVia lines to finish at Central do Brasil. Good solution :)
    • I think it might make sense to add some paid connections to very close stations, such as Santa Cruz (train and BRT) and Paciência/Santa Eugênia (train and BRT). In both cases user just has to cross a street.
    • Some considerations about Conexão BRT lines:
      • They look great in yellow, I think it is the first time that shows them mixed with other transports :)
      • The final stops names can be supressed as they stop on the terminals, together with the BRT lines. This means specifically:
        • Line 28, no need for "Curral Falso - 28" and "Pingo d'Água - 28", leave only Terminal Curral Falso and Terminal Pingo d'Água respectively
          • A small detail: the stop Jardim Guaratiba is a bit to the side but that's temporary due to some road works. You can make the line straight and move the stop in horizontal axis so it doesn't detour to the parallel street.
        • Line 68, similarly no need for "Terminal Deodoro - 68", just list it as "Terminal Deodoro", like you did in Campo Grande
    • BRT:
      • TransOeste:
        • the branch towards Campo Grande, is missing one-way arrows (east bound from Pina Rangel to Campo Grande; west bound from Campo Grande to Pina Rangel).
      • TransCarioca:
        • In Madureira it needs some adjustments. The situation there is this: the rail system runs east-west and the BRT crosses it south-north, on a viaduct that runs above the train station. But there are two BRT stations, one named Terminal Paulo da Portela that is south of the train station (and do not cross the viaduct), and one above, on the viaduct, named Madureira / Manaceia. There is free integration between the two bus terminals and paid integration to the railway. OpenStreetMap / Google Maps
      • Also Penha station needs to be split between stops Penha 1 and Penha 2, with a small one-way segments around it. OpenStreetMap Google Maps
    • I guess I can start reviewing stop names, at least for the rail systems. This means we need to correct these typos:
      • MetrôRio: all correct
      • VLT Carioca
        • Some stations are missing suffixes: Santa Rita Pretos Novos, Camerino Rosas Negras, Cristiano Ottoni Pequena África, Parada dos Navios Valongo
        • Because it is a vectorial map, maybe having smaller legends for the stops? Because of all the arrows, it is a bit unreadable. Or maybe only the final stops names, and then on the inset the full detail.
      • SuperVia:
        • Ramal Deodoro, from east to west:
          • Missing stop "São Francisco Xavier" between Mangueira / Jamelão and Riachuelo
          • Maybe Prefeito Bento Ribeiro as a bit crowded? Try breaking the line after Prefeito. If you need to abbreviate, you could use "Pref. Bento Ribeiro"
          • "Marechal Hermes" has a typo
          • "Pill" with the name needs to be "Deodoro" and not "DeoDoro"
        • Ramal Santa Cruz, from east to west:
          • Maybe move the legend of station "Tancredo Neves" a bit to the left? It looks a bit like the rail station name is "Cesarinho" (the closes BRT station).
          • Other than that, all correct.
        • Ramal Japeri and Ramal Paracambi, Ramal Belford Roxo, Ramal Vila Inhomirim: all correct
        • Ramal Saracuruna, from south to north:
          • Manguinhos syllable separation is Man-gui-nhos, so you can split it as "Mangui-nhos" if needed, though I think it would probably fit if you move the legend slightly down.
          • Typo on "Penha"
        • Ramal Guapimirim, from southwest to northeast:
          • Parada Santa Dalila can just be "Santa Dalila". (I'm not sure why some stops keep the word "Parada" (lit. Stop) and other doesn't, but still. Street View vs Street View)
      • BRT TransOeste: Terminal Mato Alto, Parque de São Paulo
        • Station Gramado has been supressed, this one slipped while I was editing. Just removed it from OSM. Street View
ArlindoPereira (talk) 10:29, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Goran tek-en Continuing the BRT stations names:
  • TransCarioca (orange), from south to northeast:
    • Terminal Alvorada; Lourenço Jorge; Aeroporto Jacarepaguá; Via Parque; Centro Metropolitano; Rede Sarah; Rio 2; (after Rio 2 it branches northwest to continue main path, and also continues forward west) Pedro Corrêa; (here you can also make a green path from nearby Asa Branca to Curicica, the busways are connected to each other in this point); Curicica; Praça do Bandolim; Arroio Pavuna; Vila Sapê; Recanto das Palmeiras; Divina Providência; Santa Efigênia; Merck; André Rocha; Terminal Taquara; Aracy Cabral; Terminal Tanque - Mestre Candeia; Ipase (instead of IPASE); Praça Seca; Capitão Menezes; Pinto Teles; Campinho; (small branch to) Terminal Paulo da Portela; (main branch continues to) Madureira Manaceia; Mercadão (only train station is called Mercadão de Madureira); Otaviano; Vila Queiroz; Vaz Lobo; Marambaia; Vicente de Carvalho; Vila Kosmos; Pedro Taques; Praça do Carmo; Guaporé; Pastor José Santos; (here a small oneway segment, going northeast is Penha 2, going southwest is Penha 1); Ibiapina; Olaria (paid connection to Olaria train station); (viaduct over train); Cardoso de Moraes; Santa Luzia; (viaduct over Avenida Brasil); Maré; Terminal Aroldo Melodia; Galeão Tom Jobim II; Galeão Tom Jobim I.
      • I think there is some detail about the final airport stations (if it only stops in one of them one way etc.), I'll get the details and update here.
      • (continuing the branch after Rio 2 going west); Parque Olímpico; Terminal Centro Olímpico.
  • TransOlímpica (green), from southwest to north:
    • Terminal Recreio (free connection to Salvador Allende); Catedral do Recreio; Tapebuias; Ilha Pura; Olof Palme; Riocentro; (branch towards east: Terminal Centro Olímpico; Parque Olímpico and connecting to TransCarioca); Morro do Outeiro (free connection to T. Centro Olímpico); Minha Praia; Asa Branca; (small branch going east connecting to TransCarioca again); Leila Diniz; Ventura; Colônia; Outeiro Santo; Boiúna; Marechal Fontenelle; (small branch going east towards Terminal Sulacap); Padre João Cribbin; Magalhães Bastos; Vila Militar; Terminal Deodoro
  • TransBrasil (red), from west to east:
    • Terminal Gentileza; INTO; (Caju station is closed, no plans to open, you can remove it / hide it for now); Vasco da Gama; Benfica; Fiocruz; Hospital de Bonsucesso / CPOR; Baixa do Sapateiro; Rubens Vaz; Piscinão de Ramos; Marinha Mercante; Lobo Júnior; Mercado São Sebastião; (small branch going north to Terminal Missões, but it is still under construction, so you don't need to include it for now); Cidade Alta; Vigário Geral / Praça Dois (on the line diagram inside the bus it is listed as this, but the street sign says "Vigário Geral (Praça Dois)" - Street View); (small branch going north to Terminal Margaridas, but it is still under construction, so you don't need to include it for now); Ceasa / Irajá (though sign says only "Irajá" - Street View); Fazenda Botafogo; Jardim Guadalupe; Guadalupe; Terminal Deodoro.
ArlindoPereira (talk) 13:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ArlindoPereira
  • I will wait to try the inset until everything else is set.
  • VLT Carioca. Will wait with that until everything else is set and we test inset.
  • Manguinhos. That word is left anchored (it will grove to the right) and when svg is turned into png and especially in thumbnails texts can extend more in the png than what it is in the svg (or the png drafts you see). This has to do with the different libraries wikimedia uses for those functions, so if the svg is viewed somewhere else texts might grow differently. I always want some extra space for the texts in the svg for this reason so I will keep it on two lines.
  • TransCarioca. “make a green path from nearby Asa Branca to Curicica”, on the pdf I found and the other we have the orange line splits just after Curicica and then follows the green all the way down to Terminal Recreio. Is that what you want?
  • TransBrasil. Can’t find the following on OSM so I can’t find the positions, can you fix coordinates?
Vasco da Gama; Baixa do Sapateiro; Rubens Vaz; Piscinão de Ramos; Fazenda Botafogo; Jardim Guadalupe; Guadalupe.
  • I think you should have an extra look at Deodoro, I don’t think I got it right with which is a terminal, connecting to which…
  • Draft transport-7
--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Goran tek-en
@Goran tek-en just realized I missed the initial bus station for Niterói public transport: Terminal João Goulart: OSM. Mark as paid connection to Arariboia ferry station. On the east-west axis, the bus corridor from Alameda São Boaventura continues going west on Avenida Feliciano Sodré, then reaching the terminus on non-dedicated lanes via Av. Visconde do Rio Branco, thus with an inverted L shape (maybe we could try a thinner line to this vertical segment?)
The same arrangement of thin line (to represent major bus connection, but without a dedicated bus corridor) could be used to connect the terminal to Charitas. (i.e. TransOceânica lines OC1, OC2 and OC3).
Also the same thin line style could be used on the Conexão BRT lines as well.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 14:17, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ArlindoPereira
  • I'm not so happy with having thinner lines, It can be very hard to see the differens especially for people who doesn't have good eyesight. If you look at TRANSBRASIL I have added below the red line, we can do this (or something similar) to the lines where there is a dedicated bus lane instead?
  • I didn't understand if you wanted me to add the three TransOceânica lines?
  • Draft transport-8
--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:52, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Goran tek-en
  • I think it is now very solid, just need to the smaller modes of transportation. I know historic tram might be hard because it will be directly under the legend for subway stations (Central do Brasil / Centro, Saara / Presidente Vargas and Uruguaiana / Centro). Do you feel it's time to work on the legend already? Or only after adding all modes?
  • Fair enough, no thinner lines. Didn't like the dashed pattern on TransBrasil, that specific pattern leads me to think that it is a train. Let's keep it without any differentiation.
  • (About 3 TransOceânica lines) Nope, just mentioned them so you can see that they start at Terminal João Goulart and go through regular streets, enter TransOceânica bus lanes, then exit through regular streets on the other side. But that would just pollute the map, let's leave that not connected.
  • Got info on how Galeão stops are operated on TransCarioca: after Aroldo Melodia, bus goes first to Galeão 2, then to Galeão 1, then returns directly to Aroldo Melodia. So maybe we could add some oneway arrows (facing north) to the semi-circles? Though the semi-circles could potentially just add confusion because instead of taking the left and driving the semi-circle clockwise (i.e. going north) it enters from the north and drive on the semi-circle counterclockwise. Anyway just thinking out loudly, such level detail is most likely not relevant enough to be included on the map.
  • On TransBrasil, Terminal Margaridas needs to be hidden (or if you want a light / gray pattern to indicate it is under construction, that could be a valid option as well).
  • On TransOeste, it is missing the free connection indication on Terminal Curral Falso, on Terminal Pingo d'Água and on Campo Grande. Oh btw just realized Campo Grande also needs to be a Terminal: Terminal Campo Grande.
  • On TransOlímpica, it is missing the free connection indication between Morro do Outeiro and Terminal Centro Olímpico.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 11:40, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ArlindoPereira
  • We add everything before working on the legend.
  • For reserved lanes. We can instead do something like this, see TransBrasil e.g.? I do like the idea to show that they have dedicated lanes.
  • Galeão. We can’t show exactly how they actually drive, not here or anyplace else, shall we not just leave it as it is.
  • Draft transport-9
--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 14:16, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Goran tek-en
  • Sure.
  • Having reserved lanes is the rule for everything we have included, in all bus corridors, with very minor exceptions. So I don't think we need to have this differentiation at all.
  • Yes, please :) I was thinking while typing, let's leave that as is.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 15:56, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ArlindoPereira
So what now, more to add? --please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 10:44, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Goran tek-en I think the next step is to add other modes of transportation, which are either more "local", or touristic, or both. More or less in order of importance, those would be:
  • Corcovado rack railway (touristic train to access the Corcovado mountain, with the famous Christ the Redeemer statue) - OSM
  • Pão de Açúcar / Sugar Loaf aerialcar (touristic aerialcar to access the top of Sugar Loaf hill and it's lower hill Morro da Urca) - OSM from Praia Vermelha to Morro da Urca + OSM from Morro da Urca to Sugar Loaf
  • Santa Teresa (historic) tram, from Downtown to Santa Teresa neighborhood, crossing the Lapa Aqueduct on top. This one is both relevant as local as touristic, because residents of Santa Teresa neighborhood can ride it for free, and actually use it as a local mode of transportation, while everyone else pays tourist tickets. It has a single initial station, a couple of major stops along the way and several "bus stops", that are simple stops only with a pole sign, without any specific name, where the tram would only stop by request. OSM
    • This one is currently being expanded, a branch toward Largo das Neves, and a continuation of main branch towards Silvestre, where it will meet the Corcovado rack railway on a currently deactivated station.
  • Slums / "Favelas" Funiculars, which are two:
    • Santa Marta, with 5 numbered stops OSM
    • Pavão-Pavãozinho, with 5 numbered stops OSM
  • And Church related Funiculars, which are three, the first one being the most relevant:
    • Igreja da Penha, with 6 numbered stops OSM
      • OSM is a bit wrong, it has only the initial stop. It's a total of 6 stations, on 3 different segments of funicular climbing with different degrees of inclination. A friend of mine recorded a couple of videos on it, I will edit OSM to fix it, and will let you know once it's ready.
    • Igreja da Penna, with 2 named stops OSM
      • Naming is very similar, only one letter of difference.
    • Outeiro da Glória, with 2 named stops OSM
For all of those transports with numbered stops, as well as the ones with named stops, I don't think it is super relevant to mention the stops name, i.e. for this list only include names for stops for Corcovado rack railway and Santa Teresa tram which are longer anyway. For Sugar Loaf aerialcar, I think it would make sense to instead name the "localities", so showing "Praia Vermelha" for Station 1, "Morro da Urca" for stations 2 + 3 and "Pão de Açúcar" for station 4.--ArlindoPereira (talk) 14:00, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ArlindoPereira
  • Sugar Loaf aerialcar... I can’t connect that to any of the lines above.
  • Some are very short in this scale.
  • Draft transport-10
--please ping me-- Goran tek-en (talk) 18:05, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Goran tek-en

Map of Hadhrami migrations

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Article(s): w:Hadhramaut, w:Hadharem

Request
I need an SVG map of the Hadhrami migrations in Asia and Africa based on this screenshot of the book "On the Edge of Empire : Hadhramawt, Emigration, and the Indian Ocean, 1880s-1930s" --Abo Yemen✉ 17:10, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
areas per the book-
Arabian peninsula: Mecca Province, Medina Province, Jazan Province, Kuwait, Abu Dhabi
Africa: Cairo, Port Sudan, Suakin, Omdurman, Khartoum, the East Africa region (Kenya, Tanzania)
Islands: Zanzibar, Madagascar, Socotra
India: Kerala, Hyderabad
South East Asia is already clear on the map attached Abo Yemen✉ 17:34, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion(s)
@Abo Yemen: Hi,
Don't you think it will be better to start your pages before any graphist works on your editing request?
Yours, En rouge (talk) 15:17, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They already exist tho, i just dont know why it wont link Abo Yemen✉ 15:42, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
just fixed the links Abo Yemen✉ 15:43, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Opinion polling on the whether the United Kingdom should rejoin the European Union

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Article(s): Potential re-accession of the United Kingdom to the European Union

Request
Can someone please update this graph? The relevant opinion polling is on the above Wikipedia under "Article(s). Helper201 (talk) 20:25, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion(s)


Eurozone map

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Article(s): hu:Konvergenciakritériumok (Európai Unió)

Request
Hi, I would like to know if the update of this map should be recommended or not (e.g. the file is not svg). If yes, could you please create a new 2024 version with the following changes:
  • Croatia should be blue (Eurozone member)
  • the UK should be white (not EU member)
  • Bulgaria should be in gold (ERM II member)
  • Bosznia should be replaced by Bosznia-Hercegovina
Thank you in advance! Bencemac (talk) 15:29, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion(s)
@Bencemac: Hi,
I think it is a great opportunity to start a svg file, rather than editing any png one.
I've found some svg maps, with or without text:
You can browse categories, here in Commons, and even find some other svg files in Wikipedia pages, about en:Eurozone or en:Euro convergence criteria (or whatsoever), in other languages.
Yours, En rouge (talk) 15:10, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Iraq Kurdistan political map

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Article(s): Iraqi Kurdistan

Request
(Can anyone create a version of this map? Taken from this article. Ideally, we would have an English, Arabic and Kurdish version also. --الدبوني (talk) 07:17, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion(s)
الدبوني: We have File:Kurdistan governorates 2015.png/File:Kurdistan governorates 2015-ar.png. Those will probably work well with appropriate captions. (The border of the east two governates is different but that doesn't affect the use at hand.) CMD (talk) 09:36, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@الدبوني and Chipmunkdavis: Hi,
Displaying the map, if you click on Datawrapper under the map, you get a new display. Then this new map is composed thanks to an embedded svg. Copying/pasting this code will directly give a svg file (with probably some workaround).
Copyright from OpenStreetMap contributors give a license compatible with uploading to Commons (to be confirmed).
Yours, En rouge (talk) 14:09, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@الدبوني: Hi,
Don't you think it will be better to start your page before any graphist works on your editing request?
En rouge (talk) 15:15, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Correct Green Valley, IL map to put circular emphasis on right municipality

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  • Highlighting is on wrong village
    Highlighting is on wrong village

Article(s): en:Green Valley, Illinois

Request
The red circle is on the wrong village. It needs to be moved over to where Green Valley actually is (towards the bottom left). Thanks! --WhisperToMe (talk) 18:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion(s)
WhisperToMe The 02:49, 28 October 2017 version seems to have the circle in the right place, but there is a square that changes color. Which square color is correct? CMD (talk) 00:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Chipmunkdavis: The red settlement (the others are gray) is the correct location. The map is supposed to depict Green Valley, seen here. Compare with Tazewell County here. The circle is instead over Armington (which is depicted here: File:Tazewell_County_Illinois_Incorporated_and_Unincorporated_areas_Armington_Highlighted.svg). The circle is supposed to emphasize Green Valley. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:05, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That does seem to suggest the 02:49, 28 October 2017 has the correct circle, but do you know what to do with the square? ie. can this be reverted, or does a new version have to combine the old circle and new square? CMD (talk) 01:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Chipmunkdavis: I see. The square should be en:Heritage Lake, Illinois (a census-designated place) based on the placement. I'm not really sure why it is not filled in with gray. I checked File:Harris County Texas incorporated and unincorporated areas Cloverleaf highlighted.svg and I notice some census-designated places are filled in with grey but some are not. Maybe I should ping the uploader and ask them if CDPs are supposed to be gray or white. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:59, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it is, just revert to 02:49, 28 October 2017. If not, should be easy enough to combine the two.
CMD (talk) 02:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Roger Waters' Berlin Wall concert

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Article(s): en:The Wall – Live in Berlin

Request
Please will sone kindly take a modern map of the relevant part of Berlin city centre, and overlay the perimeter and stage ("
Bühne
") of the above concert, based on the diagram seen part-way down this web page? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:40, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Graphist opinion(s)

French Indochina administrative divisions in 1937

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  • English version
    English version
  • French version
    French version

Article(s): [[]]

Request
I would like to have some changes on the máp:

- Some provinces seem to be missing from the map, such as Hà Nam province (shows as part of Nam Định province) and Phúc Yên province (shows as part of Vĩnh Yên province)

- I think that military teritories are also provinces, so they can named with their own names rather than just numbered territories (display within each other or just one type, 1e = Hải Ninh, 2e = Cao Bằng, 3e = Hà Giang, 4e = Lai Châu, 5e = Phongsaly)

- For English version, I think some provinces in Annam, Laos and a province in Tonkin (Pho Tuo = Phú Thọ) should be called with Vietnamese/Lao names rather than how the French at that time call it (Vinh = Nghệ An, Đồng Hới = Quảng Bình, Huế = Thừa Thiên, Tourane = Quảng Nam, Qui Nhơn = Bình Định, Sông Cầu = Phú Yên, Nha Trang = Khánh Hòa, Phan Rang = Ninh Thuận, Phan Thiết = Bình Thuận, Buôn Ma Thuột = Đắk Lắk, Đà Lạt = Đồng Nai Thượng (Đà Lạt has its own province-level special administrative region which can be shown in this map) and some provinces of Laos: Haut-Mekong = Houa Khong, Trấn Ninh = Houaphanh, Cammon = Khammuane). It's optional in French version due to differences between how the French governors named it back then and how the French speaker call it now (if the French version is also need to change, Đồng Nai Thượng = Haut-Đồng Nai)

- Border between Thanh Hóa province and Nghệ An province (shows as Vinh) with Laos seems not right due to that border kept until now but looks different from the current one, so I need Thanh Hóa to have a small land point into Laos and west Nghệ An looks sharper, thanks! --Khanh ( talk | contribs | CA | vi ) 13:19, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Graphist opinion(s)


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